Amerant Bancorp Inc. (NASDAQ:AMTB) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Operator: Our next question comes from a line of Brady Gailey with KBW.

Brady Gailey: Thanks so much, guys. So the net interest margin guidance for 4Q as far as being down less than 3Q and that’s a pretty, you know, wide range just given 3Q is down about 25 basis points. Is there any way to type that range for 4Q and then how — do you think that 4Q will be the bottom in the NIM? And you could see some expansion next year? Do you think there could be more downside in 2024?

Jerry Plush: Yes, Brady. Look, I think this is the quarter right where asset yields kind of topped out. I think deposit costs. Continue just for competitive purposes. Look, everyone I’d like to say we’re putting on the right kind of deposits. You know, we’ve talked a lot about not just putting on, you know, and we’ve run down all that institutional stuff that comes from aggregators. Our view is that yeah, of course, there’s going to continue to be pressure on funding costs. You know, that we certainly think between what we need to offer and what consumers are demanding Are you know, is going to result in pressure, you know, whether that remains to be seen is that, you know, somewhere within the range of, you know, much lower to mid-way you know, I would tell you right now, expectations are that it’s really going to depend on us and our ability to generate more non-interest bearing and frankly, even more lower cost International to supplement you know, what we’re doing domestically.

So, I think it’s, it’s really going to be something that you know, could be a wide range on that. And I think that’s why sharing is not giving you something very specific. I would just say it’s certainly not going to be as dramatic. The flip side is, is there’s definitely going to be some so yes, I know it’s a wide range, but I think that everyone in the marketplace, this is the period where we’ll level in 2024? Absolutely, that’s our expectation. I think we have another quarter of where there’s going to be some compression and just it’s inevitable just given market conditions.

Brady Gailey: All right, yes, that’s fair. And then, I want to make sure I heard you write your comment about the loan yield. There’s a low yield was flat link quarter, and I know your loan yield is 6.8%. I mean, that’s above average and a great loan yield, but I just wanted to make sure I understand that dynamic well that the loan yield has peaked, because I would have thought there would have been maybe some continued, especially CRE loan repricing higher and you could see that yield trip higher but you’re saying you think it’s flat from here?

Jerry Plush: Look, I think our view is the biggest driver in increasing loan yields, right has been the fact that we’ve been an asset sensitive organization. And so the positive has been that that’s been the bigger driver versus higher rate new production. You’re absolutely asking the right question which is yes, we will have higher rate of new production in the fourth quarter. I don’t know that that’ll be as meaningful enough to make it more than just give you the view of hey, it’s flattish maybe is a better way to say it, as opposed to we think we are going to continue to see improvement in the fourth quarter. Do I believe if we can book $300 million to $400 million [ph] in production net new production that there’ll be some pop?

There should be for sure. But I still think that the way we’re looking at things, there’s also some other stuff that will come off that you know, may have been you know, really part of that asset sensitive, repriced portfolio, right. So, you know, that’s that it’s really it’s really a mix issue. That’ll come into play there. But my view is, I think, you know, we’re better off telling you flattish and give you the positive upside you know, depending on production.

Brady Gailey: All right. And then, the surrendered volley [ph] and the $2 million benefit. What was any of that in the 3Q run rate or is that all a positive kind of looking forward?

Sharymar Calderon: It’s a positive looking forward, we expect that yield to materialize fully in 2024 going forward.

Brady Gailey: Okay. And then, finally for me, just a bigger picture question. I know we have to — you know, 1% ROA target out there. You guys were pretty much at that level last year. But you know, not near that level. Here tonight this year. And I mean, maybe the industry is not even there either. I know profitability is under pressure everywhere. But if any updated thoughts on time timing as far as when you can hit that one ROA?

Jerry Plush: Yes. Look, we absolutely expect to be back on track in 2024. I think with the great additions we’ve been getting on the team with the all the other initiatives we’ve been talking about. You know, I do want to just comment, you know, as an organization, we’ve had considerable time, energy and expense around this core conversion. You know, there’s a lot of additional support that is going into this and you know, our view is getting this done, is going to really clear the runway for us, you know, as we go into 2024 So I think you have the positive of all these great people that have joined in my opinion and are a great team. And you know, you get the production that’s going to come from that you get the conversion passes, to get the halo effect of you know, all this great new branding as you know, and it’s much more targeted branding, I expect a much stronger 2024.

Look, the reality is that also you have to caveat that is that also depends on the economic conditions that go forward and 24 but we are doing all the things we can within our control. To drive towards making sure that we’re back in track and that one 1% plus 12% You know, type of metrics that we talked about, and as Sherry mentioned in her comments, but we’re going to have a bumpy fourth quarter first quarter just if you looked at a pure efficiency ratio just from you know, and we’re giving you that without trying to exclude those things like their one time or non-recurring. We’re just saying look, efficiency is going to be higher because we have to incur these expenses. So but the expectation is absolutely to get this place back on track and get back in that 60% [ph] range.

We, I think we’ve had, you know, and then unfortunately have had the bounce back up. But I also would tell you, Brady, look, we’ve had a choppy year, and I think you know, because obviously there’s been some more time items there in the higher provision we reported last quarter you know, we think that we’ve done a really good job of assessing risk in the portfolio and getting you know, which is why our reserve coverage is higher, you know, and in this quarter in particular, you know, I do just want to know, we had some elevated charge offs, but we’re accelerating our efforts to try and get the NPL MPAs offer books. And so that created some additional noise. I know you commented on that in your write up but, you know, our view is it’s better to get this stuff done and off the books as fast as possible and get back into earning status get that money back in earning status; that’s going to help too.

Brady Gailey: Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Steven [ph] with Piper Sandler.