Unisys Corporation (NYSE:UIS) Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Unisys Corporation (NYSE:UIS) Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript February 21, 2024

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Operator: Good day. And welcome to the Unisys’ Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michaela Pewarski, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Michaela Pewarski: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. This morning, Unisys released its fourth quarter and full year financial results. I’m joined this morning to discuss those results by Peter Altabef, our Chair and CEO; Deb McCann, our CFO; and Mike Thomson, our President, and COO, who will participate in the Q&A session. As a reminder, certain statements in today’s conference call contain estimates and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the securities laws. We caution listeners that the current expectations, assumptions, and beliefs forming the basis for our forward-looking statements include many factors that are beyond our ability to control or estimate precisely. This could cause results to differ materially from our expectations.

These items can also be found in the forward-looking statements section of today’s earnings release furnished on Form 8-K and in our most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q as filed with the SEC. We do not, by including this statement, assume any obligation to review or revise any particular forward-looking statement referenced herein in light of future events. We will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as non-GAAP operating profit or adjusted EBITDA that exclude certain items such as post-retirement expense, cost reduction activities and other expenses, the company believes are not indicative of its ongoing operations as they may be unusual or nonrecurring. We believe these measures provide a more complete understanding of our financial performance.

However, they are not intended to be a substitute for GAAP. The non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures, and we have provided reconciliations within the presentation. The slides accompanying today’s presentation are available on our website. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Peter.

Peter Altabef: Thank you, Michaela. Good morning and thank you all for joining us to discuss the company’s fourth quarter and full year results. Our fourth quarter performance capped a successful year for the company. Despite ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty, we delivered on our targets and progressed toward our long-term goals. In 2023, we grew full year revenue by 1.8% as reported and 1.6% in constant currency. Our non-GAAP operating margin was 7% for the year and adjusted EBITDA margin was 14.2%. All of these metrics were above our original guided ranges and above the upwardly revised ranges we provided last quarter. Excluding License and Support, revenue grew 4.9%, both as reported and in constant currency in 2023. During the year, we strengthened our foundation for growth in multiple ways.

First, we demonstrated strong client loyalty. Renewing 96% of the contracts was more than $1 million in TCV that came up per renewal in 2023. We also improved our new business signings and pipeline in 2023. New business TCV grew 18% from the prior year and we grew our new business pipeline by 19%. During the year, we also built awareness for our solution portfolio with clients, partners, industry analysts and advisors. For instance, we improved our ranking in nearly half of the major 2023 Analyst and Advisor reports that had included Unisys in the prior year. We also forged several new partnerships, including two arrangements with consulting partners that are expected to drive referrals to Unisys as their preferred solution integrator. At the same time, we strengthened and expanded key relationships with hyperscalers, OEMs and other alliances.

Finally, we made investments in innovation to expand our next generation solutions and advance industry specific solutions such as Unisys logistics optimization. These accomplishments support future growth and advance us toward our long-term goal. Before Deb reviews our fourth quarter and full year financial results, I will provide an update on some of our leading indicators and key strategic initiatives. Beginning with client time, fourth quarter TCV increased more than 300% sequentially and more than 50% year-on-year, resulting in a full year TCV increase of 3%. Excluding L&S, fourth quarter TCV was up more than 300% sequentially and 135% year-over-year, bringing full year Ex-L&S TCV growth to 27%. Fourth quarter new business TCV, which consists of expansion, new scope and new logo increased approximately 50% sequentially and 80% year-over-year.

New business TCV during both the quarter and the year was primarily driven by growth with existing clients. Among our notable client wins for the fourth quarter was a five -year renewal and new scope contract with a leading biotechnology company encompassing both DWS and CA&I solutions. This contract includes new scope elements including communication and collaboration technology support, software asset management, and mobile expense management. Turning to our pipeline, our total company and Ex-L&S qualified pipelines are relatively flat year-over-year. A strong result given healthy fourth quarter signings and the headwinds from fewer expected scheduled renewal signings in 2024. Ex-L&S new business pipeline grew 19% year-over-year. Within our new business pipeline, we’re seeing encouraging signs with prospective clients.

Our new logo pipeline is up 32% year-over-year. Several key 2023 go-to-market initiatives have contributed to the quality and strength of our pipeline, especially our new logo pipeline. In our direct sales teams, we introduced new pricing tools, training, and standardization that has brought increased rigor and speed to our proposal, pricing and review processes. For 2024, we have further refined our commission structures to better align incentives with key objectives, such as cross-selling and growing certain next-generation solutions. Our marketing efforts are another key contributor to new business pipeline growth. Our digital marketing campaigns have improved visibility to both our portfolio and our thought leadership. This is most evident in the rankings and sentiment toward Unisys among analysts and advisors that influence client purchasing decisions.

As I mentioned earlier, our 2023 ranking improved in nearly half of the major analysts’ reports in which we appeared in the prior year. And we received new leader rankings from highly regarded firms such as Avasant, Everest and ISG. We were also included as a leader or major player in new IDC reports in digital works place and application monetization. The results of our annual analyst and advisor perception survey, which we commissioned through an independent research firm, further validate our gains with industry influences. For example, this year, more than half of respondents view Unisys’ digital and workplace market vision as better than our competitors, up 28 points. And almost three quarters of respondents recently recommended Unisys to a client, an increase of 14 points in influencer advocacy.

I’ll now discuss Ex-L&S pipeline and client activity in each of our segments. DWS pipeline is up 15% year-over-year, including more than 100% growth in our modern workplace pipeline. We’re seeing growing interest in intelligent solutions, such as our smart PC refresh offering. We also have several large new opportunities in traditional workplace services. We believe our commitment to delivery excellence in mission critical services is differentiating Unisys with [inaudible] DWS market. Our CA&I pipeline is also progressing, up 3% year-over-year, despite more than 80% growth in 2023 science. Demand tied to public sector digitization is leading to new opportunities. For example, we have several prospects seeking to modernize licensing and permitting, as well as identity access and management platforms.

We also have several opportunities to help clients modernize healthcare, higher education, and justice related record management systems. EMEA is an emerging bright spot within CA&I, where pipeline grew nearly 60% year-over-year. We deployed client technology officers on key accounts in the region, replicating a model we rolled out in DWS in that region. Incorporating client technology officers brings thought leadership to the forefront of our conversation with these clients. In the Specialized Services and Next-Gen Compute portion of ECS, we expanded our product portfolio in 2023 with enhancements to our existing cargo portal and the launch of Unisys Logistics Optimization. We also advanced development of more early-stage industry offerings for banking and financial services clients.

Earlier this year, we integrated Unisys Logistics Optimization with our first pilot-client’s cargo management system and completed a successful pilot using live data within a test environment. Currently, we are moving into production with our client’s live environment. Given the early signs of success and strong market demand, we are rapidly accelerating our commercialization efforts and formalizing our partner, pricing and channel strategy. Across the company, clients are continuing to adopt, explore and experiment with artificial intelligence, including generative AI. Our effort here centers on using AI to advance business outcomes, such as accelerating revenue and product development, reducing R&D and SG&A expenses, and improving customer or employee set attach.

We are also supporting our clients’ efforts to develop their own AI strategies and upskill their talent. For example, in DWS, we are consulting with clients on their training, measurement and business case creation for generative AI tools. We view AI as a powerful tool to help our clients and ourselves achieve breakthroughs faster, better and more efficiently than before. We are focused on expanding and infusing AI into new and existing solutions, rather than selling standalone AI solutions. At a high level, there are three key elements to our approach to data and AI. The first is what we call insights and relationships. We have many high-quality clients, many of which have decades-long relationships with Unisys. Intimate understanding of our clients’ most important business aspirations and challenges, coupled with an eye to emerging industry trends relevant to the client, are critical to identifying the highest value use cases for AI and helping our clients navigate AI investment opportunities.

This is complemented by our deep industry domain expertise. Second is capability creation, where we accelerate solutions that yield the greatest impact for our clients. This approach also includes techniques to make data actionable to enable faster realization of benefits of AI and data analytics. We continue to evolve and utilize the best tools, engineering talent, advanced models and architectures, as well as those of our alliance partners. The final element is delivery and realization. Here, our clients embrace the AI-powered solutions we deliver to achieve their strategic objectives and ambitions. Some solutions we are seeing client interest in are delivering personalized content to improve customer interactions, leveraging data and analytics and predictive modeling to increase factory or cargo productivity or synthesizing law and regulations to increase compliance.

Internally, we’re applying the same approach. We’re focused on using generative AI tools to speed delivery of solutions and to improve productivity within our delivery and corporate functions. For example, our legal team deployed a new AI tool in the fourth quarter for initial document review, which has already reduced the document review resources required for certain matters. Regardless of the application, responsible AI, ethics and compliance are strong guiding principles underlying our approach. Let’s talk for a minute about Unisys logistics optimization. In general, we believe we’re entering into a new period where companies such as Unisys that are nimble, have an engineering core and can combine capabilities such as AI and quantum in innovative ways will bring more relevant and compelling solutions to clients.

Accessible data is critical to successful application of generative AI. And many of our clients are challenged by the complexity of disparate datasets siloed within their infrastructure estates. We believe we can bring clients economic value by helping them modernize their applications, minimize their technical debt and CapEx and unlock the value inherent in their data. Unisys logistics optimization is an example of that. We can leverage a unique combination of advanced quantum computing expertise. AI, Acumen developed through our working structuring and building data sets, and decades of experience optimizing workflows within industries. We believe Unisys logistics optimization can serve as a blueprint for delivering tangible business value for our clients and for generating new revenue streams for Unisys.

I would like to conclude with a brief update on how we are attracting, retaining and developing our associates. In 2023, initiatives included global AI training and increased internal fulfillment, which set up sourcing and helped reduce our trailing 12-month voluntary attrition to 12.4% at year end, down from 18% last year. In 2024, we are strengthening our winning culture and sense of community. A top priority this year is the launch of a new career passing program to empower associates to take control of their career development. It will also enhance our mobility platform by matching associates with roles that advance them towards their career goals. We’re also modifying and enhancing our recognition and rewards programs to encourage associates to acknowledge each other’s successes and career milestones.

Lastly, we are launching a year-long events program to provide space for open discussions about our workforce experiences and challenges. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Deb.

Deb McCann: Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everyone. My discussion today will refer to slides in the supplemental presentation posted on our website. I will refer to revenue as reported as well as in constant currency, but with segment revenue growth only in constant currency. I will also provide information excluding License and Support, or Ex-L&S, to allow investors to assess progress we are making outside the portion of ECS, where revenue and profit recognition is tied to license renewal timing, which can be uneven. As Peter highlighted, we exceeded our upwardly revised 2023 revenue and profitability guidance and laid a strong foundation to support our future growth. Our performance this year progressed us towards our longer-term goals and demonstrates the resilience of our recurring revenue in an uncertain macroeconomic environment.

We also furthered our cost initiatives, which will remain a priority in 2024, and will lay the groundwork for continued profitability and cash flow improvement. Looking at our results in more detail, you can see on slide 5 that fourth quarter revenue was $558 million, up 0.1% year-over-year, or a negative 2.1% decline in constant currency. The decline was expected and driven by license renewal timing in our ECS segment. For the full year, revenue was $2.02 billion, up 1.8% year-over-year as reported, and up 1.6% in constant currency. Excluding License and Support, fourth quarter revenue was $413 million, up 6.8% year-over-year as reported, or 4.3% in constant currency. For the full year, Ex-L&S revenue was $1.59 billion, up 4.9% year-over-year as reported and in constant currency.

These Ex-L&S solutions accounted for 79% of total company revenue and had a next-gen solutions mix of 38% in 2023. Now let’s look at our segment revenue, which you can find on slide 6. A reminder that the segment revenue growth rates I am about to discuss are in constant currency. In the fourth quarter, digital workplace revenue grew 6.3% year-over-year to $139 million, driven by new business with existing clients. For the full year, DWS revenue was up 7% to $546 million. Growth resulted from new business signed during 2022 and strong in-year project revenue, particularly in the United States, Canada and Europe. Key solutions in 2023 included modern device management as well as traditional workplace services. Fourth quarter, CA&I revenue declined 0.5% to $139 million due to a prior year benefit from the sale of surplus IP addresses.

Excluding this impact, segment growth would have been more than 2% with strong sales in our Digital Platform and Application or DP&A solutions. Full year CA&I revenue was $531 million, up 2.2% year-over-year. We had a good year of growth with both commercial and public sector clients, offsetting some softness we have seen in the banking and financial services sectors, where budgets have been more challenged. Many of our commercial and public sector clients embraced higher value DP&A solutions in hybrid infrastructure, cybersecurity and application modernization, which leverages our engineering core. More of our clients view the future as hybrid, taking multi-cloud approaches to infrastructure, incorporating private cloud, co-locations, and public clouds for tailored flexibility and security.

Our balance of expertise in mission critical services, hyper scaler partnerships, and next-generation capabilities in data, artificial intelligence and application modernization align us well with these hybrid strategies. We are optimistic about the opportunities to further grow the CA&I segment in 2024. In our Enterprise Computing Solutions segment, fourth quarter revenue was $203 million, a decline of 12.2% due to lower License and Support revenue. This was partially offset by modest growth in specialized services and next-gen compute. For the full year, ECS revenue was $648 million, down 3.9% from 2022, again with strength in specialized services and next-gen compute, partially offsetting a decline in L&S revenue caused by the renewal schedule timing.

License and Support revenue was $144 million in the fourth quarter and $429 million for the full year, exceeding our upwardly revised guidance of $420 million due to closings some smaller renewals earlier than anticipated. Notable fourth quarter renewals included signings with commercial and public sector clients in the United States and Canada and in Latin America. It is important to remember that ClearPath Forward license revenue is highly dependent on the specific client contracts up for renewal and the term and consumption levels of those renewals. Backlog was $3 billion at year end versus $2.4 billion at the end of third quarter and $2.9 billion last year. Sequential and year-over-year backlog growth was due to both the timing of renewals as well as strength in new business signings in our digital workplace segment.

Turning to slide 7, we can see the fourth quarter gross profit was $181 million at 32.5% margin down 160 basis points from the prior year due to the timing of higher margin L&S solution renewals. Excluding L&S, our fourth quarter gross margin was 16.5%, up from 11.8% in the prior year. Most of the expansion was due to the realization of savings from the prior year quarter’s cost reduction charges, which we include in Ex-L&S gross margin. Full year gross profit was $551 million, an increase of more than $22 million. Gross margin expanded 70 basis points to 27.4%. Improved delivery and pricing in our Ex-L&S solutions and the realization of savings from prior year cost reduction charges allowed us to generate $22 million of incremental gross profit despite a $50 million headwind from L&S Solutions.

Full year Ex-L&S gross profit grew by 42% in 2023 to $240 million. This reflects a 15.1% gross margin compared to 11.2% last year. This improvement was largely driven by improvements in the CA&I segment and SS&C solutions with ECS, including the realization of savings from prior year cost reduction charges partially offset by a revenue reversal associated with a previously exited contract within all other. I will now touch briefly on segment gross profit, which you will find on slide 8. Fourth quarter DWS gross margin was 15.3%, up slightly from 15.1%, driven by new business with existing clients, partially offset by investments we’ve made to modernize field service dispatch systems that were implemented late in the year and will help drive future delivery efficiency.

Full year DWS gross margin was flat year-over-year at 14%. As we scale, we expect rising utilization, improved pricing power, growth in modern workplace and our delivery investments to drive steady gross margin improvement in 2024 and beyond. Fourth quarter, CA&I gross margin was 16.3%, down from 19% in fourth quarter 2022, primarily due to a benefit in the prior year from the sale of surplus IP addresses. Full year CA&I gross margin was 15.4%, up from 9.1% or 630 basis points in the prior year. More than 200 basis points of this improvement resulted from our cost initiatives, such as labor market and contingent labor optimizations and increased use of automation. The remaining 400 basis points was due to delivery improvement of certain accounts from 2022.

Our focus on these key accounts helped de-risk the segment from future losses and strengthen key client relationships for future growth. In 2024, our CA&I team is building out more standardized solution architectures and increasing the use of generative AI to accelerate solution development and speed revenue generation. Fourth quarter ECS gross margin was 67.4% compared to 73.3% in the prior year, again due primarily to L&S renewal timing. Full year ECS gross margin was 61.2% compared to 64.5% in the prior year, driven by lower L&S revenue, partially offset by a 370 basis point improvement in SS&C margins, driven by improved pricing as well as expansion signings with existing clients in sectors like life sciences and financial services. Turning to slide 9, fourth quarter non-GAAP operating margin was 11.5% compared to 20.2% in the prior year with adjusted EBITDA of $100 million, a margin of 18% compared to 26.7% in fourth quarter 2022.

This was driven by lower L&S profit due to license renewal timing and higher compensation costs. Full year non-GAAP operating margin was 7% versus 8% in 2022 and adjusted EBITDA was $286 million, a margin of 14.2% compared to 16.5% in 2022. The full year decline was largely due to lower gross profit contribution from our License and Support solution. Fourth quarter GAAP net loss was $165 million or a diluted loss of $2.42 per share compared to diluted earnings of $0.12 per share in fourth quarter 2022. On a non-GAAP basis, fourth quarter net income was $35 million or non-GAAP diluted earnings of $0.51 per share compared to $1.22 per share in fourth quarter 2022. Our full year net loss was $431 million or a diluted loss of $6.31 per share compared to $1.57 per share loss in 2022.

On a non-GAAP basis, full year net income was $42 million or non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.60 compared to $1.10 per share in 2022. The fourth quarter and full year net losses were largely driven by actions we took to reduce our U.S. pension liabilities by approximately $500 million in total using pension assets, not corporate cash. These actions resulted in two non-cash pension settlement losses in the first and fourth quarters, which totals $348 million and reflect accelerated recognition of accrued pension expense associated with the pensioners that were transferred as part of the two transactions. These annuity purchases reduce the volatility in our GAAP pension deficit and our projected future cash contributions, as well as the future costs of a full pension risk transfer of our U.S.-qualified defined benefit pension plans as they lower the annuity purchase premium that is based on total liabilities.

Capital expenditures totaled approximately $19 million in the fourth quarter and $79 million for the full year. In 2024, we expect capital expenditures of approximately $90 million to $100 million, supporting both L&S and Ex-L&S growth while keeping in line with our CapEx light strategy. Turning now to slide 10, free cash flow. We generated $4 million of free cash flow in the fourth quarter, bringing our full year free cash flow to negative $5 million, compared to negative $73 million last year. This put us ahead of the expectations we provided last quarter of negative $25 million to negative $30 million, which is largely the result of improvements in working capital and higher than expected profitability. In 2024, we expect to be free cash flow positive by approximately $10 million.

This reflects expectations for cash taxes to decline to approximately $50 million, compared to approximately $63 million in 2023, for net interest payments that are in line with 2023 levels of approximately $20 million. Pension contributions of approximately $20 million as well as environmental, legal and restructuring and other payments of $75 million to $80 million, relatively in line with 2023. Turning now to slide 12, our cash and cash equivalence balance was $388 million at year end, relatively consistent with $392 million at the end of 2022. Our net leverage ratio, including all-defined benefit pension plans, was 2.9x up from 2.1x at the end of 2022. Leverage was higher primarily due to the increase in the GAAP pension deficit, which I will discuss shortly.

Our liquidity is strong and cash balances are well ahead of where we anticipated they would be when we started the year, with no major debt maturities in 2024 and no borrowings against our revolver. I will now provide an update on our global pension plans. Our global GAAP pension deficit, which can be seen on slide 13, was approximately $700 million, compared to approximately $540 million at the end of 2022. About $70 million of this $160 million increase was related to the purchase of insurance contracts by our overfunded UK plans as a first step in eliminating the plans from our corporate balance sheet, effectively eliminating the surplus associated with these overfunded plans. The remaining roughly $90 million increase was due to the net impact of lower discount rates, partially offset by returns in plan assets.

At the end of the year, we report a detailed estimated 10-year expected cash contribution forecast, which you can see on slide 14. Expected contributions to our global pension plans for the five-year period beginning in 2024 are $484 million, $48 million lower than our projections at the beginning of 2023. We will continue to evaluate opportunities for additional reduction in our global defined benefit pension obligations, depending on overall market conditions, which could result in material non-cash settlement charges, like those we have incurred over the past few years. I will now discuss our guidance ranges and provide additional 2024 color, which can be seen on slide 15. Looking ahead, the revenue growth upside we captured in 2023 in both our Ex-L&S and L&S Solutions creates a more difficult comparison for 2024.

Specifically, we had nearly $40 million of incremental revenue and profit in 2023 from signing a multiyear L&S renewal that had been expected to be a single year renewal. It is important to note that even with this contract signing in 2023, we see positive trends in the continued and in some cases expanding use of our platforms. And so we now expect $370 million average annual L&S revenue for the three years beginning in 2024, a $10 million annual increase from our previous projections of $360 million. For total company revenue, we expect a guidance range for constant currency revenue growth of negative 1.5% to positive 1.5%. Revenue growth in constant currency equates to revenue growth of negative 1% to 2% as reported. This revenue guidance also assumes approximately $375 million of License and Support revenue and growth in our Ex-L&S Solutions of 1.5% to 5.0% in constant currency.

2024 non-GAAP operating profit margin is expected to be 5.5% to 7.5%. The midpoint is slightly below our 2023 margin due to lower L&S gross profit due to renewal timing, partially offset by improvement we expect in our Ex-L&S solutions where we expect to expand our gross margin by 150 to 200 basis points in 2024. Delivering on our 2024 guidance will position us for accelerating profitability and free cash flow in 2025, which is when we also expect to see a larger impact from SG&A cost savings and additional margin expansion from continuing delivery actions, we are taking to improve our gross margins. Looking at the first quarter specifically, Ex-L&S revenue is expected to be approximately $385 million to $390 million, which translate to low single digit growth.

Due to renewal timing, we expect L&S revenue of approximately $70 million to $75 million compared to $137 million in the prior year period. The first quarter is expected to be our lowest L&S revenue quarter of the year. And we expect 45% of L&S revenue in the first half of the year with the remaining 55% in the second half. Given the cadence of L&S renewal timing, this translates to our expectation for a first quarter total company revenue decline of approximately 10%. We also expect a first quarter non-GAAP operating margin in the low single digits. I am pleased with the performance we have delivered this year and excited for what’s to come in 2024 as we progress further towards achieving our operational and financial goals. I will now turn it back to Peter.

Peter Altabef : Deb, thank you very much. With that, we’ll turn the call over to questions. Operator?

Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Rod Bourgeois with DeepDive Equity Research.

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Q&A Session

Rod Bourgeois: Okay, great. Thank you. So first, I want to ask about the bookings and pipeline activity. And it’s a two part question. So your quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year bookings surges were very strikingly strong there. And it also enabled some backlog expansion. So my first question on that is, how did you pull that off? And essentially in your turnaround progress, what’s the main effort that’s enabled that level of bookings activity? And then I’ll ask a follow-up on that as well.

Peter Altabef: Yes, Rod. So thanks for the question. I’ll take the first part of that and then let Mike take the second part. We have consistently said it’s, there is lumpiness, particularly in our renewal timing. And so what we had in the fourth quarter was simply a very strong quarter of renewals and also a strong quarter of what we consider new business, which is new logos, expansion and new scope of existing clients. As I said in my discussion earlier, much of our success in 2023 was really a very, very strong new business year. And we have indications of a much stronger new logo year in ‘24. So I would say, we are pleased with the fourth quarter performance. It is lumpy, but that’s kind of the way our business is. But the most important element I would say to answer your question is really the growth and the pipeline quality for Ex-L&S.

So if we take L&S out and say, that’s going to go up and it’s going to go down. We had strength in L&S in 2023. We increased our guidance for L&S in 2024. All that is good. And obviously that’s very important for cash flow and profit as well. But long term, that strength of Ex-L&S and increasing the profitability, increasing the revenue, increasing the quality of pipeline, that will give us more, we hope, that will give us more breathing room going forward. Mike, any thoughts on that?

Mike Thomson: Yes. Hey, Rod. Thanks for the question. Yes, look here, I think you covered a good chunk of it, but I would say that is the byproduct of a lot of the hard work that we’ve been doing all year. The macros have been a little tough and folks have been a little delayed in signing. And some of those renewals came in the fourth quarter for the Ex-L&S business. I think that the things I would call out that I would want you to take away is not only where they sign, but they ultimately signed at higher value. So our pricing power was really strong in regards to the offerings that we brought forth. There was new scope associated with those signings. The expansion and consumption of those accounts were strong as well. So not only did we do 96% sign for the year and had a very strong fourth quarter.

We saw cross-selling, we saw expansion, we saw pricing power contained and embedded in that. So we ended up increasing revenue, increasing margin on those renewals, which as you know, makes a stronger backlog and booking for the subsequent year or ‘24 as well. So we’re really pleased with the execution. We’re pleased with the ability for us to kind of differentiate in the market and see the acceptance of our next-gen solution by that existing base. So the byproduct of a lot of hard work, I think.

Rod Bourgeois: Okay, great. And then the follow-up on that is when you have that level of bookings, it detracts some from the pipeline, at least in the near term. From your commentary, it sounded like the pipeline with new logos is still strong even after the Q4 bookings. And so I guess what I want to ask here is in your pipeline with existing clients, do you expect that pipeline to re-expand in upcoming months? In other words, it seems like you should be heading into a period of pipeline replenishment, and I’m looking for any outlook on that front.

Peter Altabef: Mike?

Mike Thomson: Yes, Peter, if you don’t mind, I’ll take that one and then flip it back to you or Deb if you want to have some additional commentary. So, Rod, I guess the short answer is we’re happy too with the base of our prospecting portion of the pipeline. You’re exactly right. Even though we increased our backlog year-on-year, signing that level of renewals and new business certainly depletes that pipeline, but we’ve got a great line of site into the prospecting aspect of that. And we have a new logo, strong pipeline. We talked about some of the increase there as well. So both a new logo and an expansion, and we fully expect the same kinds of levels of increases in the existing base for the things that are up for renewal in the current year as well. So, again, I think pretty consistent to your question, pretty consistent with our prospects for growth in ‘24.

Peter Altabef: Yes, Rod, I don’t have anything to add. Yes, Deb and I, we’ll yield to Mike on that.

Deb McCann: Right.

Peter Altabef: I guess the only thing I would add is when we do talk about pipeline, Rod, the fact that we have 18% new business growth in the pipeline. And you’re right. A lot of that is new logo. I do expect the new scope to increase over time. There is a little bit of reloading of that. But I’m really happy with where the pipeline is from a quality standpoint as well. So when we look at where we are in the kind of staging, we think that we’re significantly better off than we were last year at this point.

Rod Bourgeois: All right, if I can flip one more in, I’ve got to ask, the L&S average revenue outlook, you’ve upped that. That’s really important. Can you just talk about what’s enabling that? We might have seen some of the early signs of that brewing last year, but it’s nice to see it coming through in your actual outlook now. So can you talk about the enabler of the L&S revenue outlook uptick?

Peter Altabef: Yes, so, David, if I could take that.

Deb McCann: Oh, you want to start? Okay.

Peter Altabef: Yes, I was going to start and then let you follow up on that.

Deb McCann: Okay, great.

Peter Altabef: When we look at what happened in 2023, there were a couple of things that happened in the L&S. We had a better L&S year 2023 than we thought we would have. Now, part of that was due to a contract that we thought would be a one year renewal, and it turned out to be a five year renewal. So that was the clients doing, not ours. We were happy to make that five year renewal instead of a one year. But beyond that, you saw increases in revenue on L&S, kind of in several of our relationships due really to consumption patterns. And so this was kind of an example of what we’ve been talking about, Rod, you’re right. And we were able to see that in actuality in 2023. Now, the interesting thing about 2024 is one would assume because we had a five year renewal instead of a one year renewal in 2023 that our L&S revenue would take a hit in 2024 for that.

The reality is we’re increasing our L&S expectations for 2024 and increasing the three year average for ‘24, ‘25 and ‘26. And so that overcomes, first of all, the renewal. Right? We’ve got to fill that gap, if you will. And it goes beyond that. And that is really largely because of those consumption patterns. So we’re pleasantly looking at the numbers for L&S. It still will be lumpy from year to year. But we do believe that is a nice sign to see. Deb, over to you.

Deb McCann: Right. And I think, Peter, you covered it. I think, we’re in the past often it would be L&S performed better, but it impacted the next years. And so we’re happy to see that this, even though the events that happened in ‘23 that had L&S overachieving, it isn’t having an impact on future years. So I think Peter said it all.

Operator: The next question comes from Anja Soderstrom with Sidoti.

Anja Soderstrom: Hi, thank you for taking my questions. And I have some follow-ups on the commentary. So you are saying the new logo has been strong. And what has been driving the new logo and where they are coming from? Are they replaced — are you replacing someone else or?

Peter Altabef: Yes, so thanks Anja, very good question. As I said in my remarks, the majority of our new business revenue in the year, which is both new logo, new scope and expansion, came from existing clients, which happens every year frankly. But also the same this year. We do expect new logo revenue to increase in 2024. Now to your question about where new logo revenue comes from, it really can only come from a couple of sources. So one source is it’s just brand new work. So think of generative AI consulting work or those similar projects. They might not have existed before. So everyone in our business is kind of scrambling for that work. The second source is from clients that had work that was internal to their operations.

And they’ve decided to give it to an external provider like us. And the third element is where we are competing for existing work that is within external provider. And we kind of take that work away through the competition process. So those are kind of the three elements. Mike, any thoughts on that?

Mike Thomson: Yes, I think the two that Peter mentioned are certainly the most prevalent. There is the first time, I’ll say, outsourced managed service component. And then there is obviously the market share component of that. And we have been aggressively active in all markets. We’ve seen a pretty nice uptick in EMEA as it pertains to new logo. The other piece I would add to that is also the cross-sell in our existing base, right, when we talk about new business. We’re about 39-ish percent cross-sold, so we do have opportunity to grow new business in the existing base through cross-selling. But I would say the heavier two components are going after additional market share and first-time outsource for managed service contracts, as Peter alluded to.

Anja Soderstrom: Okay, thank you. In terms of consumption patterns, what has been the biggest surprise to you?

Peter Altabef: Mike?

Mike Thomson: Yes, so I assume, Anja, you’re talking about consumption pattern in L&S with that question. Look, I think when you look at what’s going on in the market right now and obviously all of the efforts around AI and building out models and needing more compute and needing more power, we’ve been seeing probably over the course of the last 18 to 24 months continued increases in consumption. And that’s one of the reasons why we ultimately upped our future three year average by $10 million because it’s a byproduct of what we’ve been seeing over the course of the last 18 to 24 months. And I think it’s frankly just a natural spin-off of the build-out of LLMs and other more complex models and storage needs, things along that line from a compute power perspective. So really pretty consistent to what we’re seeing in the market overall.

Peter Altabef: Anja, thanks for your comments. No, go ahead, please.

Anja Soderstrom: Okay. I have one more question in terms of the banking or financial services, it’s been a big challenge you said during the past year. What are you seeing there now? Is that easing up or?

Peter Altabef: Yes, so Deb, do you want to comment on that from a number standpoint? And then Mike can provide some color in terms of marketing.

Deb McCann: Yes, so we discussed that in our CA&I section, just saying that there is a little softness there. Where budgets have been a little challenged and so a lot of our growth this year was really more commercial and public sector. So I don’t have the specific numbers in front of me, but that’s the color around some of that CA&I revenue. So I think as far as the softness, I’m not sure, Mike, if you want to comment on any trends you’ve seen, different than that.

Mike Thomson: Yes, look, I think it’s a little more just hesitancy in the macro. I don’t view it as being something that is in perpetuity where they’re just not spending. I think there’s, we’re just seeing more free spending in commercial and public sectors. And I would say a little bit of hesitancy in banking and financial services. But I would echo or at least comment that when we look at the new logo pipeline in ‘24, there are plenty of folks in those sectors embedded in that new logo pipeline. So again, I think it’s probably just an output of macroeconomics that we’re starting to see loosen a little bit.

Operator: The next question comes from Arun Seshadri with BNP Paribas.

Arun Seshadri: Hi, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions and appreciate all the details and the outlook today. Just wanted to understand if you look overall at Ex-L&S revenue growth guide, given your signings, it seems like you’re being somewhat conservative for 2023. I think you guided for a pretty wide range of outcomes on top line in Ex-L&S and came in near the high end. Are you taking a similar conservative approach? Is that a result of, I guess, hesitancy in the macro on the broader enterprise side? Do you still expect to see more, I guess, spending from the commercial and public sectors? Just some color would be helpful.

Peter Altabef: Yes. So Arun, thank you very much for that. I guess let me start and then turn it over to Deb. So the first thing I would say is we really do not ever try to give a conservative approach to our numbers. So our numbers are our expectations in 2023 we thought that we were exceeding those expectations. And so we raised guidance during the year. And then of course, the ultimate numbers came out even better than the raised guidance. But I think that is just more a function of the uncertainty in the market, Arun. There was a lot going on in 2023. And, frankly, we’re very pleased with the fact that we performed, L&S was better than expected, Ex-L&S was better than expected. We kind of outperformed our guidance across the board.

In 2024, we are expecting healthy growth in Ex-L&S and healthy growth in the profitability of Ex-L&S. And that’s part of really kind of what we hope to be a multiyear expansion. So turning it over to Deb, but I think we’ve built in for us, some pretty good numbers in Ex-L&S for ‘24. And Deb will go through those in detail. But I certainly hope that we excel over those. But we’re starting for pretty good numbers. Deb?

Deb McCann: Hi, thanks, Peter. Yes. So for 2023, like Peter said, we saw ourselves out performing, we raised guidance even between Q3 and the end of the year, it was very specific items where a few smaller deals came in L&S that we didn’t anticipate. And then there were some uncertainties in our Ex-L&S revenue that we were working through and were able to get all of that worked through. And so that enabled us to come in over our guidance. So I think Peter said it well. And I think we’re very comfortable kind of where we’re saying for 2024 with Ex-L&S growth, continued growth, more than 150 to 200 basis points of Ex-L&S gross margin expansion, as we really look to the mix, change the mix shift towards more of a higher margin solution as we continue delivery improvements, automation. A lot of the work we’re doing around SG&A to get that more normalized with our peers. So a lot of the work we’re doing is really, we feel makes us comfortable with our 2024 guidance.

Arun Seshadri: Thank you. Just a follow-up from me, from a cost saving standpoint, it sounds like you still expect a fairly significant margin uptick in 2025 versus 2024. I just wanted to see if you could provide any context in terms of, I guess numerically, obviously it’s early to call, but just from a SG&A percent of revenue and from a gross margin perspective, how much additional upside do you think there is in 2025 versus 2024, obviously as the pension contribution ramps in ‘25 and that’s sort of the baseline for the question.

Peter Altabef: Yes, that’s also really good question. So Deb I’m going to get it to you in just one second and that is so we have put Deb in charge of kind of a multiyear SG&A effort. That effort started in earnest last year relatively early last year and will extend through this year and ‘25 and ‘26. So Deb has put together a plan working with the rest of our team that we expect will lower SG&A as a percentage of revenue over that time frame and continue to lower it over that time frame. So it’s not a one-time thing for us, Arun. It’s very well planned. It has its own project leader and we are performing according to plan. We lowered what we thought would be SG&A spend. We will lower it again in ‘24 and expect to continue to lower it in ‘25 and ‘26.

That is at the same time making more investments that are SG&A investments in things like artificial intelligence. So where we think under Deb’s leadership, we’ve got a solid approach to this and certainly we’ll let Deb outline how that approach works over time.

Deb McCann: Right, yes, so Arun, I would say the gross margin expansion is a little more of a slow and steady. So we plan an Ex-L&S to do $150 million to $200 million and that’s what we had laid out kind of a slow and steady margin improvement. That along with our L&S revenue of $370 million average a year and that’s at about 65% gross margin and then as well as the SG&A efforts Peter talked about. I think you’re right that is a little more we expect to achieve on an annualized basis about 70% of that by the end of this year and so that does take because we have to do some investments in order to save. So that will, as opposed to the gross margin, that’s more slow and steady. SG&A will kind of be more of a, you’ll see that more in 2025.

And then in addition to that, to get to the free cash flow that we laid out, there’s some other things on the free cash flow side that we’re working, such as improving our working capital dynamics. Some of the more one-time cash flow items will start to go down over these next few years and so that’s another important part of the formula to get us to those free cash flow numbers we’ve laid out as part of our long-term targets.

Arun Seshadri: Thank you so much.

Mike Thomson: If I could jump in as well, just one quick comment. Deb mentioned $150 million. It was 150 to 200 basis points of improvement in gross margin. And if you look at the Investor Day materials that we put out, you would see in there that it infers additional improvement in basis points in 2025 and ‘26, kind of consistent in that matter now, we’re not saying that is kind of a linear path and it’s going to be the same amount every year, so we will ebb and flow a bit. But as Peter mentioned in his opening remarks, we’re doing quite a bit in regards to the associate base, right-skilling, right-shoring, AI, automation, speeding up sourcing, all kinds of elements embedded in kind of managing that resource delivery. So we think that’s going to yield additional benefits in the outer years to get us aligned with the projections that we put out in Investor Day.

Arun Seshadri: Got it, thank you everyone. Can I ask one last thing? On the pension cliff, it sounds like you’ve made a good amount of progress reducing that cliff the 2026 to ‘29 cliff by some $10 million to $20 million a year. Any sort of high level thoughts on sort of your plans for 2024 in terms of further progress there? Thank you.

Peter Altabef: Yes, Deb, do you want to say something?

Deb McCann: Sure. Yes, so we’re, the contributions came down and that’s primarily driven by asset returns. And so there’s, we try to manage that and we don’t have full control over asset returns. And so we put in the slide deck a sensitivity so you can understand that. But as we’ve spoken about and continue our plan to really look at continuing to de-risk the plan, we took out, we had two annuity purchases in 2023. We’ll continue to look at that given market conditions if another one makes sense. And so the goal there is just to lower the amount of liabilities using plan assets, not corporate cash, to just overall lower the risk there and the volatility of the overall pension plan. So that’s one of our strategies, a key strategy for now, but we’re always looking at all of our options as it relates to pension, pending market conditions and what makes sense at the time.

Operator: You’re welcome. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Altabef for any closing remarks.