Masimo Corporation (NASDAQ:MASI) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Marie Thibault: Okay. That’s really helpful. Thank you for that. And then one kind of high-level question, we have seen a competitor of yours in the headline for potential spinout of the business unit or possibly an acquisition. Are you seeing any impact at this point in the field? I know that there is kind of an ongoing discussion, but curious if that’s helping with market share at all?

Joe Kiani: Well, Marie, we have been gaining market share against the Nellcor division of Medtronic for I think a couple of decades and nothing has changed. And sometimes I hear them saying something to the contrary, and it is not true. As far as their transition or the spin-off, I have heard rumors that the buyer can’t get the money together to buy them. So, I don’t know even if it’s happening. But assuming it happens, we think it should be positive for us and not negative.

Marie Thibault: Okay. Very interesting. Thank you.

Joe Kiani: Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Polark with Wolfe Research. Michael, please go ahead.

Michael Polark: Thank you. Another one of the call-outs from last quarter was excess inventory at certain customers. Micah, it sounded like in your prepared remarks that you are seeing order patterns there return towards normal. And I know the visibility on your end is not super high, but can you say confidently now that you feel like the channel is feeling more correct in that these customers that had excess might no longer – any other color that you can provide on that topic would be great.

Micah Young: Yes. Yes, Mike, so from the ordering patterns that I see of the customers, I feel like we have got the worst behind us. Can I predict every customer and how they manage inventories in this tight environment with capital budgets and constrained operating budgets and how they utilize their sensors and their inventories. It’s not easy to do that. So – but I can say that where things are trending, it’s I am more encouraged than a lot more encouraged this quarter than I was last quarter just because we had limited data points. And I think it gives us the confidence for this new guidance range. Last quarter, like I have mentioned, we were – we just did not have as much of a view as what I would have liked. And now that we do and the trends are continuing to step up and improve sequentially, it’s given us the confidence that we are through the worst of it.

And I think now we are encouraged that we can get back to growth. So, yes, I feel much better at this moment.

Michael Polark: And then a follow-up for Joe, perhaps just kind of a fresh reflection on Sound United, is it relative to your expectations, how do you feel about it? Is it proving a distraction? Is it creating opportunities that do you think it’s still positioned to deliver the opportunities that you saw in it as you move the consumer products closer to prime time? Just how you are feeling about running that business today would be great. Thank you.

Joe Kiani: Thank you. As we announced when we announced we are going to acquire Sound United, I have said, give us 3 years. And if in 3 years, it’s not working, we will get rid of it. Since then, it has been constantly reminding us that what a good thing we did to acquire it because, one, it has allowed our healthcare business to stay focused on the healthcare business as we make this attempt for consumer health, which isn’t something that I think we could ever ignore because health is moving to the home. Healthcare is moving to the home. And so it’s something we had to do, but I didn’t want to lose focus in our normal hospital business. Secondly, the other positive is that the management team, the employees, they are excited about the consumer health products that we are getting into.

And we did not hear from them, hey, leave us alone, we just want to sell speakers and AVRs and the contrary, you are excited about being part of Masimo, helping people live better lives. In addition, our focus on their business has put them in the segment where the market is growing, where they have a good reason to be there, which is the hearables that has grown over 100% since a year ago. And last but not least, the launch of Stork into the stores, we wouldn’t have known who to call where to start. And hearing some of the stories we heard firsthand and how those were done, it would have taken us years to figure that stuff out. So, no, I more than ever believe in it. There are some important products that have to get rolled out, like Freedom.

Obviously, we are – that was the biggest reason. The hearables was the second reason and Stork, which was the third. So, please hang in there. I really think this is the right thing for Masimo. I really think it’s the right thing for people and for even payers, it’s going to help bend the cost curve of hospital and patient care.

Eli Kammerman: Operator, next question please.

Operator: Your final question comes from the line of Jayson Bedford with Raymond James. Jayson, please go ahead.

Jayson Bedford: Good afternoon. Maybe just a few cleanup questions here. Just on sensor utilization, you have mentioned normalization post-COVID a few times during the script here. It didn’t seem like COVID was much of a factor last year. So, why don’t you think you experienced lower utilization in sensors last year?

Joe Kiani: Well, I think first of all, there are certain provisions that went into effect with insurers that pushed patient care from the hospital to surgery centers. Secondly, as our sales force was, I think trying to react to a lower census that was occurring, they did certain volume orders that by discounting our sensors to some large customers. So that, I think helped continue our growth during that period. When I became aware of it, I stopped it because the sensor – we are a razor, razor blade business and providing discounts on sensors just did not make sense to me. And – but from what I am seeing out there, like everyone saw during COVID, we saw tremendous growth. We normally have grown $100 million a year, during COVID we grew $200 million the first year of it.

The next year, we still grew over $100 million. And now we are kind of catching up with that bolus of growth and we are hopefully at a point where things should be as bad as it gets with the purchasing patterns of sensors. And because of our increase in market share, we should see growth next year regardless.

Jayson Bedford: Okay. And you have pretty good visibility. You have mentioned market share a few times. Do you have pretty good visibility that these are competitive wins?

Joe Kiani: Absolutely. Our whole business for the last – 1998 has been to target hospitals that don’t have Masimo and fully convert them to Masimo. If you look at the graph that Micah put out there today, you can see kind of where we were for the first nine months of the year for the past several years. And we have seen incredible record growth in COVID 2020, 2021, 2022. And this year, it’s more than ever. So, it is definitely a market share gain. It’s definitely competitive win. And I can’t remember when we lost the customer. So, it’s not like we are winning some. We are losing some. The numbers we are giving you is what we believe to be the normalized wins and losses in terms of new incremental business.