Ready Capital Corporation (NYSE:RC) Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Tom Capasse: I’m sorry, 1%, yeah, even worse, or you can say even more conservative or investor-friendly. So that did afford us pricing on the triples best-in-class in the peer group. Now in the current market, we’re probably now more leaning. We’re looking at refis in our existing book and leaning more towards the managed structure. But they were — through the external manager, which manages our securitizations, we’re one of the largest issuers across a broad array of ABS sectors. And I think at this stage of the credit cycle, we’ll probably lean more towards more flexibility in exchange for slightly higher spreads on the triples.

Stephen Laws: Great. And then just…

Adam Zausmer: I was just saying, yes, Tom just in terms of the — I think the pool would be really a combination of legacy assets, some collapses, some new issuance, and I think to Tom’s point, I think certainly evaluating the managed structure or some hybrid structure with certainly greater flexibility.

Stephen Laws: Great. Appreciate the color on this. Thank you.

Tom Capasse: Thanks for your questions.

Operator: Our next question comes from Crispin Love with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Crispin Love: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just looking at the delinquency rates on the lower middle market slide of the presentation, first, do those rates include the loans held for sale? And if so, what would those delinquency rates look like absent the $655 million of loans held for sale on a portfolio basis? And any other color that you think would be helpful?

Tom Capasse: Yeah, Adam or Andrew?

Adam Zausmer: Yeah, I’m looking at that…

Andrew Ahlborn: Go ahead, Adam.

Adam Zausmer: Andrew, go ahead.

Andrew Ahlborn: Those numbers do include the delinquency rates from the held for sale loan. So, it’s inclusive of the entire portfolio. When you look at the held for sale delinquency rates, as I said before, they’re much higher. So, roughly 70% of that population is in some state of delinquency. So, on a comparative basis, once those are sold, we expect the delinquency rate to come down quite a bit.

Crispin Love: Okay. Great. That’s helpful. And then just following up on Jade’s question earlier, just how do you expect the movement of loans held for sale to impact near-term net interest income and distributable earnings? And I guess just relatedly, what are your near-term projections for core ROE? Andrew, it sounded like you said that you expected to trend closer to the 10% target, but just curious over the next couple of quarters.

Andrew Ahlborn: Yeah. So, in the short term, on a net interest income standpoint, I think this population of loans will continue to have very minimal effect given that the majority of them are not accruing today. As we move out of them, and we are working to do so over the next three months and that capital gets repositioned either into new originations at market yields or refinancing of existing loans at market yields, it should add an incremental 12 to 15 of go-forward EPS, right? So, the combination of that repositioning and the modification work that’s being done in the CLOs, which we expect to have, let’s call it, a $0.09 per quarter impact on EPS, pushes as we move to the back of this year core earnings back towards that 10% target. I think in the interim period though while we work through those, the financial effect will be fairly de minimis.

Crispin Love: Okay. Great. And then just one last question. When do you think the loans held for sale will be sold? And are you already in discussions with buyers for these loans? And just any detail on what kind of buyers are looking at them, whether it’s asset managers or mortgage REITs or mortgage finance companies, just anything there would be awesome. Thank you.

Tom Capasse: Yeah. I mean, Andrew maybe — I’m sorry, Adam, maybe you can comment on the overall strategy with specific brokers. And I would comment though, and in terms of buyers, it wouldn’t definitely not other mortgage REITs, it’s more private credit funds that have raised a lot of capital around the distressed CRE space, and as well as mom and pop for the smaller Broadmark assets. But Andrew — Adam, maybe just comment on that.

Adam Zausmer: Yeah, sure. I mean, listen, we’ve got a very large portfolio. This subset of loans certainly very granular, mixed bags of mostly NPL and REO. I’d say a lot of the assets are already with brokers and/or have purchase and sale agreements executed. So specifically around the REO bucket, the majority of those are with individual brokers in the market. On the loan side, the plan is to likely go out in a bulk sale on — across a few different pools. I think the buyer for these, I think it’s going to be regional folks that want to take these assets on given that they’re NPL and really come up with a new business plan to redevelop the assets. And then certainly there’s going to be debt funds looking at these assets for some of the larger office deals where they can come in with operating partners for development.

Crispin Love: Great. Thank you. I appreciate you all taking my questions.

Operator: Our next question comes from Matt Howlett with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Matt Howlett: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Just first question from a high level. I mean, Tom, where are we in the commercial real estate cycle? I’m assuming a lot of these delinquencies were ’21 low cap rate vintages. Can you give us an indication whether you think the worst is over here?

Tom Capasse: Yeah, I mean there’s eight food groups in the Moody’s [indiscernible] and there’s eight answers to that question. But the one that’s relevant for Ready is obviously multi, and that’s 80% of our exposure. So, to answer that very briefly, yeah, we believe that it’s rotational bottoms in submarkets, which are tied to supply hitting the market. The multifamily starts were up since 2020, I think, to the early this year, late last year, up like 50%, 60%. They’re now down year-over-year to 35%. So what you’re seeing is price declines and therefore rent declines in select submarkets where there’s a lot of supply hitting the market. So, certain markets — so to figure the bottoms in each of the markets, you look at the amount of supply and how long it takes to absorb that excess supply before the market bottoms.

And overall, we’re down 16% in multifamily prices. We think we have another 5% to go. But broadly speaking, we think the bottom is sometime in the later half of ’24, with significant variations in markets. And again, to reemphasize what we said in the earnings call, we use a GEO tier model for years to break markets 1 through 5, and one major input in the model is negative absorber supply and negative absorption. So, we’ve dodged a lot of the big bullets, like in Austin, Texas, for example. But that’s — so that’s — so we think at the end of the day, the multifamily valuations are floored based on the huge delta in buy versus rent. The average monthly payment in United States now is nearly $3,000 for a medium priced home and the average rent is a little under $2,000, that’s a 50-year high.

So that will underpin the demand for apartments in relation to as single family and also create a floor on multifamily valuations, which is why we’re highly confident in our legacy book because of the going in LTV of low 60s. Even with these declines, there’s a government takeout through Fannie Freddie and they just need some time to work through the business plans. But the valuations we think are unlike office, which is we think a five-year secular decline, multifamily is solid.

Matt Howlett: Got you. The way you explain it makes complete sense now. I appreciate that additional color. And perhaps I should have started off with the first question. I should congratulate everybody with the share repurchases, particularly in April. And we can all do the math in terms of the NPV of buying back shares here, selling loans and buying back shares at 100% upside potentially. What can you tell me in terms of the pace of repurchases? They are up in April versus the first quarter. Would you like to see that April base continue? Could we see Dutch tenders when you get big pools of capital? And just curious on share repurchase [indiscernible] everybody therefore for buying back shares.

Tom Capasse: Thanks. Andrew, do you want to comment?

Andrew Ahlborn: Yeah. So, we have $50 million remaining on our existing share repurchase program. I think we will continue to utilize the program, while also balancing the need to use liquidity both in terms of protecting our CLOs as well as putting money to work in a very attractive environment. As you mentioned, the return profile on repurchasing shares is very attractive at these levels. And certainly, as proceeds come in from sales and payoffs, we’ll evaluate whether the $50 million is a sufficient amount allocated to the repurchase when we get through it all. But I do expect that repurchases assuming liquidity levels remain healthy, margin risk in the portfolio remains really small. I do expect it to be a part of what we do going forward.