Perimeter Solutions, S.A. (NYSE:PRM) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Perimeter Solutions, S.A. (NYSE:PRM) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript August 8, 2025

Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the Perimeter Solutions Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Seth Barker, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Seth Barker: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Perimeter Solutions’ Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Speaking on today’s call are Haitham Khouri, Chief Executive Officer; and Kyle Sable, Chief Financial Officer. We want to remind anyone who may be listening to a replay of this call that all statements made are as of today, August 7, 2025, and these statements have not been nor will they be updated subsequent to today’s call. Also, today’s call may contain forward-looking statements. These statements made today are based on management’s current expectations, assumptions and beliefs about our business and the environment in which we operate, and our actual results may materially differ from those expressed or implied on today’s call.

Please review our SEC filings, particularly any risk factors included in our filings for a more complete discussion of factors that could impact our results, expectations or assumptions. The company would also like to advise you that during the call, we will be referring to non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, LTM adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS and free cash flow. The reconciliation of and other information regarding these items can be found in our earnings press release and presentation, both of which will be available on our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Haitham Khouri, Chief Executive Officer.

Haitham R. Khouri: Thank you, Seth, and good morning, everyone. We’re pleased to report Perimeter’s second quarter and first half results. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA reached $91.3 million and first half adjusted EBITDA reached $109.4 million, reflecting: number one, execution on our operational value drivers; number two, normalized first half fire activity in the U.S.; and number three, strong performance in our international retardant markets, our suppressants business and our Specialty Products businesses. We continue to deploy capital during the second quarter, investing nearly $62 million across a range of priorities, including increased capital expenditures, continued share repurchases and the purchase of assets to support our retardant business.

Before getting into details on the quarter, I’ll provide a summary of our strategy, give a brief operational update and discuss the settlement of our litigation with Compass Minerals. After that, Kyle will walk through our financial results and capital allocation in more detail. Starting on Slide 3 with a summary of our strategy. Our goal is to fulfill our critical mission by providing our customers with high- quality products and exceptional service while delivering our investors private equity-like returns with the liquidity of the public market. Our strategy is built on 3 key operational pillars. First, we own exceptional businesses. These are niche market leaders that play critical roles in solving complex customer problems, qualities that support high returns on invested capital and durable earnings growth.

Second, we rigorously apply our 3 operational value drivers to the businesses we own. We drive profitable new business, achieve continual productivity improvements and provide increasing value to customers, which we share in through value-based pricing. And third, we operate our businesses in a highly decentralized manner, granting our business unit managers full operating autonomy paired with the accountability to deliver results and a tightly aligned incentive structure for our managers to think and act like owners. We believe that our operational pillars will optimize our durable long-term free cash flow. We then seek to maximize long-term per share equity value through a clear focus on the allocation of our capital as well as the management of our capital structure.

Turning to developments in the quarter on Slide 4 and starting with Fire Safety. As I remarked at the outset, Fire Safety’s financial results were driven by execution on our operational value drivers, normalized first half fire activity in the United States and strong results from our international retardant markets and our suppressants business. We continue to invest in our Fire Safety businesses to best support our customers’ mission to save lives and protect property and the environment, including the opening of 110,000 square foot retardant production facility in Sacramento, California. Our network of manufacturing facilities, logistics and distribution systems and air-based infrastructure has a 6-year track record of performance reliability.

With the addition of the Sacramento facility, we pair our never-fail delivery network with fully duplicated infrastructure that leaves no doubt about the supply chain resiliency of our solution. The cost of the facility, along with other investments we’re making in our business is reflected in our first half capital expenditures, which nearly equal our capital expenditures for the entirety of 2024 and which exceed our total capital expenditures in any full year prior to 2024 over our company’s history. Capital expenditures are the most visible sign of our internal reinvestment. However, we’re also investing into several areas less visible to investors, but highly visible to customers, including research and development, field service and customer support.

We concluded our trade secret litigation against Compass Minerals during the second quarter, culminating in a settlement that returned our intellectual property and allowed us to acquire surplus assets for our retardant business. Compass announced the wind down of the retardant business in the first quarter, which provided an opportunity to resolve our intellectual property dispute, which centered around phosphate-based formulations that we maintain or developed using misappropriated trade secrets from Perimeter. Relative to the time and expense of litigation and combined with the excess assets of the Shutter business, which we acquired in conjunction with the settlement, we believe the $20 million paid to resolve this matter is a fair outcome.

With our trade secrets resecured, we can continue to invest in the R&D innovation that jointly drives our customers’ success and our performance. Switching now to our Specialty Products segment. For the past 2 decades, our primary North American phosphorus pentasulfide plant in Sauget, Illinois has been operated by a third party under a tolling agreement. In 2021, a private equity fund called One Rock Partners purchased a collection of assets, which they renamed Flexsys and as part of the transaction, assumed the tolling agreement to operate the Sauget plant. There has been a marked degradation in the plant safety standards and operational performance since One Rock’s acquisition. To illustrate the magnitude of this degradation, the Sauget plant experienced more unplanned downtime in the first quarter of 2025 than our P2S5 plant in Germany, which we own and operate, excuse me, has experienced over the entire last decade.

To reiterate, the Flexsys-operated plant experienced more unplanned downtime in a single quarter this year than the Perimeter operated plants that experienced in an entire decade. As a result of escalating safety and operational issues, we exercised our contractual right to assume operation of the Sauget plant. Unfortunately, and in what we believe is a clear violation of our contracts, One Rock and Flexsys have prevented us from taking over the plant. After exhausting all options, we filed a complaint in Illinois State Court in June to enforce our rights. Given that Flexsys maintains operational control over the plant while our complaint is litigated, we expect to encounter ongoing operational and financial challenges. We are committed to taking back operational control of the Sauget plant per our rights under the tolling agreement.

And when we do, we will implement the necessary operational improvements and restore the consistency, safety and quality of production that our customers rightly demand. Finally, a brief update on our IMS acquisition. IMS is performing well, and the introduction of our value driver strategy is proceeding quickly with strong early operational and financial results. IMS is performing ahead of our underwriting assumptions and is poised to deliver returns that meaningfully exceed our targeted IRR threshold. In support of IMS’ recent growth and reflective of our confidence in IMS’ future organic and inorganic growth, we recently expanded our production capacity by executing on a new 87,000 square foot lease, more than tripling IMS’ space. We look forward to investing significantly more capital behind IMS primarily through additional product line acquisitions.

We consider IMS to be an excellent template for our future acquisitions, where, one, acquired a niche market leader that plays a critical role in solving complex customer problems; two, introduced our cultural principles of business unit autonomy, accountability and alignment; three, implemented our operational value drivers to sustainably boost operating and financial performance; four, ramped investment into the business in order to offer our customers the best products, services and overall value proposition; and finally, launched an inorganic growth initiative, including the $10 million we spent in the first quarter to acquire new product lines. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Kyle for a more detailed review of our financials and capital allocation in the quarter.

Kyle Sable: Thanks, Haitham. I’ll begin on Slide 5, where growth figures shown are versus the prior year comparable period. Starting with Fire Safety. Revenue for the quarter came in at $120.3 million, reflecting a 22% year-over-year improvement and $157.4 million year- to-date, a 27% gain. These results were primarily driven by our retardant products and related services. U.S. fire retardant volumes benefited from a more typical wildfire pattern in Q2 compared to a milder season last year, while our international operations, including Canada, Europe, the Middle East and Asia Pacific, gained from ongoing contributions from our value drivers alongside more severe conditions. Our suppressants product lines resumed their growth in the second quarter.

Recall that after 9 consecutive quarters of growth, our suppressants revenue declined on a year-over-year basis in Q1, primarily due to an unusually strong product introduction benefiting the prior year period. In the second quarter, our fire suppressant sales returned to growth, increasing $2.7 million from the prior year quarter. Fire Safety’s adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $77.7 million, representing a 40% increase over last year and $87.7 million year- to-date, marking a 58% gain. U.S. wildfire activity was approximately normal in the 6 months ending June 30, 2025, and wildfire risk conditions across our footprint are also within a range we would consider normal. Having observed normal activity levels through Q2 and into early Q3, we believe it unlikely that the full season will be exceptionally mild.

That said, conditions for the remainder of the year could still vary above or below average, and we remain prepared for the full range of potential scenarios. In our Specialty Products segment, Q2 net sales came in at $42.4 million, representing a 47% lift from the prior year. This performance reflects a $9.3 million contribution from the IMS acquisitions and a $4.4 million uplift from the base business. Year-to- date net sales reached $77.2 million, up 23%, driven by $16.9 million from the IMS acquisitions, partially offset by a $2.3 million decline attributable to the previously noted unplanned downtime at the Sauget plant in Q1. Specialty Products Q2 adjusted EBITDA rose to $13.7 million compared to $9.3 million in the prior year quarter and remains approximately steady year-to-date at $21.7 million.

While Q2’s operational challenges were less severe than those in Q1, ongoing downtime contributed to elevated costs in the business and dampened EBITDA. While it’s impossible to predict the plant’s performance under Flexsys’ control, we anticipate a continued drag from operational issues until we assume operational control of the plant. Viewing the segments together, consolidated second quarter sales grew 28% to $162.6 million, while adjusted EBITDA improved 41% to $91.3 million. Year-to-date, consolidated sales reached $234.7 million, up 26% and adjusted EBITDA rose 42% to $109.4 million. Moving below adjusted EBITDA for Q2 2025, our GAAP loss per share was $0.22 versus GAAP earnings per share of $0.14 in the prior year quarter. Q2 2025 adjusted EPS was $0.39 compared to $0.25 in Q2 2024.

On a year-to-date basis, GAAP earnings per share was $0.16 as compared to a GAAP loss per share of $0.42 in the same period last year. Year-to-date adjusted EPS was $0.41 as compared to $0.23 in the same period in the previous year. Turning to our long-term assumptions, as shown on Slide 6. We are increasing the high end of our assumptions for capital expenditures from $20 million to $30 million. This increase reflects our success in finding capital expenditures that align with our investment criteria, namely that investments improve our ability to serve our customers and generate returns that exceed our minimum targeted return threshold. Our new production facility in Sacramento is a clear example of this investment in action, but it’s far from the only one.

Last year, we shared how upgrades at several of our air bases significantly boosted throughput. Building on that momentum, we’ve continued to implement these enhancements across our network. The result, higher retardant volumes that help our customers achieve their mission while delivering strong returns on the capital we’ve deployed. As we build on these initiatives, we will continue investing in airbase infrastructure while seeking new opportunities with comparable potential. Aside from CapEx, the remainder of our assumptions are unchanged and with normally quarterly variation, Q2 is consistent with those expectations. Q2 interest expense was $9.9 million, while taxable depreciation, amortization and other tax deductions totaled $5.4 million.

Cash paid for income tax was $12.3 million in Q2 as compared to $3.6 million in the prior year quarter. Here, I will note that variation in taxes is typically timing related in any given quarter, and our full year tax expectation is unchanged. Capital expenditures for the quarter were $12.8 million. Our working capital needs fluctuate seasonally and Q2’s working capital levels and the associated use of cash are consistent with our expectations given the level of activity in Q2. Our year-end net working capital outlook is unchanged. We define free cash flow as cash flow from operations less capital expenditures. In total, we had free cash flow in Q2 of negative $15.6 million, primarily due to the seasonal build in net working capital as well as purchases of property and equipment.

We generated free cash flow of $3.3 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2025. 2025’s cash flow generation seasonality is in line with our expectations and consistent with history, where we invest significantly in working capital in the first half of the year in preparation for the fire season to convert these investments into cash in the second half. Our full year EBITDA to cash generation conversion is consistent with the assumptions shown on this slide with the vast majority of cash generation occurring over the next few months. We allocated nearly $62 million of capital in the quarter, the returns on which we expect will exceed our minimum targeted equity returns of 15%. We continue to invest in our business organically with $12.8 million allocated to capital expenditures in the quarter.

The majority of these capital expenditures supported our growth and productivity initiatives. Our pipeline of projects continues to build and is an important element supporting our long-term organic EBITDA growth trajectory. Moving to M&A. As discussed previously, we invested $20 million in select Compass assets comprised of $1.7 million of raw materials and $3.1 million of property and equipment, with the remainder allocated to intangibles. More broadly, we continue to search diligently for acquisitions that meet our investment criteria. Finally, we repurchased 2.9 million shares for approximately $32 million in Q2. While many companies have systematic share repurchase programs, our view is to repurchase shares when we believe our equity trades meaningfully below intrinsic value and when repurchases would not preclude higher potential IRR investments, notably in M&A.

Both conditions were true in Q2. Turning to Slide 8. I’d like to highlight our favorable debt structure, a single series of fixed rate notes at 5%, maturing in the fourth quarter of 2029 with no financial maintenance covenants. As of Q2, we were levered 1.7x net debt to LTM adjusted EBITDA, driven by $675 million of gross debt, $141 million in cash and nearly $313 million of LTM adjusted EBITDA. We also have substantial liquidity with an undrawn $100 million revolver as of quarter end in addition to our cash. We ended the quarter with about 145.9 million basic shares outstanding. To conclude, Perimeter’s second quarter reflected our team’s execution of our strategy, combined with normalized end markets. Despite the solid start, we remain disciplined in our approach to the full year, continuing our work to deliver for our customers and apply our operational value drivers across the business.

With that, I’ll hand the call back to the operator for Q&A.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Dan Kutz with Morgan Stanley.

Q&A Session

Daniel Robert Kutz: I wanted to ask, I think you guys have kind of quantified this in the past. But when you think about — when you speak to kind of a range of normal wildfire activity or acres burned, can you help us — can you remind us how you guys think about that? Is it kind of over the course of the year, I think I remember like a 6 million to 7 million U.S. Lower-48 acres burn range on one of your past slide decks? Or is it kind of a percentage versus a trailing 5- or 10-year trend? Just hoping that you could — as we’re trying to think through what it means when you say within a normal range, I was just hoping you could share a little bit more color on how you guys think about that.

Haitham R. Khouri: Yes, you bet, Dan. It’s Haitham. Thanks, of course, for the question. So I’ll refer back to a slide we presented in our Q4 2024 earnings call where we’ve tried to break down for investors exactly how we think about what a normal fire season is. To sort of recap the message from 6 or so months ago, you’re right, we think a normal fire season is roughly in the range of 6 million to 7 million acres burned in the U.S., excluding Alaska. Given that there is secular growth in acres, we think that range will creep up slowly yet steadily over time. We describe 2024 as a fairly normalized acreage year because if you exclude the Smokehouse Creek fire, which occurred in Q1 in Texas and Oklahoma and which used almost no retardant, acreage burned in ’24 were right about 7 million, excluding Alaska.

So near the top end of what we would consider normal. I’ll note that if you take our year so far and look at acreage burned through early August and assume normalization through the balance of the year, which, of course, is an unknown what happens here on out, we’re, again, looking like we’re going to be in that roughly 6 million to 7 million normal range.

Daniel Robert Kutz: Awesome. Super helpful. And then maybe — so a question has come up. If you look empirically, there does seem to be somewhat of an inverse relationship between a revenue per acre burned or EBITDA per acre burned if you did try and isolate just the U.S. Lower 48 components of those revenue streams versus the U.S. ex Alaska acres burned. There does seem to be somewhat of an inverse correlation over time now the direction of travel for those metrics has been higher has been an improvement over time in terms of the dollar number of EBITDA or revenue per acre burn, but still there does seem to be somewhat of a negative correlation. I was hoping if you could help us understand, I mean, a, confirm if that phenomenon is true or just kind of noise in the data? And then b, what — if so, what some of the drivers are [indiscernible] that relationship?

Kyle Sable: Yes, absolutely, Dan, it’s Kyle. A couple of things on this. I’ll make 2 points on acres. One is that when we look at the acres data, we believe that it’s a good indicator of our activity over longer-term time frames. It is a more challenging metric to use on short-term time frames. And the related piece of that, which you’ve identified here is that particularly large swings in acres will result in smaller changes in our retardant usage for a number of factors. So let me walk through so you can understand what those are. When you think about the factors that go into retardant usage for any acre, there’s a number of things that go in. First, you have to have the acre itself and fire activity. It also matters where that acre is burning in a remote area, there’s less likely to be retardant usage than when it is closer to structures and has a near proximity to lives and property.

And then the second piece that comes into this is both the ability to fly, so the weather. And then in particular, and the one that drives a lot of the variability you’re seeing here is resource availability. So for instance, if you saw a very large spike in fire activity, what will happen is that all the resources can oftentimes be in utilization, right? That means that all the planes are busy. And so when another call comes in, there’s simply not a plane to dispatch to that incremental call. When we see these spikes, that’s a big reason why we are a big proponent of supporting our air tanker partners and expanding the fleet capacity. We believe that there’s an amazing ability to drive ROI for the government, for the agencies, for our air tanker partners and most importantly, perform the mission, protecting lives and property through an expansion of the air tanker fleet.

You also see the inverse of that when there’s a large decline in acres. When there’s a decline in acres, the availability of planes for any given fire are much higher. So you’re exactly right. When you look at this, there is a muted impact where big spikes will see less retardant usage because of the availability of aircraft and the inverse is true when it falls. Does that make sense?

Daniel Robert Kutz: Yes, that makes a ton of sense. And maybe if I could squeeze one last one in on the resource availability point. We’ve seen a ton of different headlines on higher fire suppression spending, budget allocations lower. I’ve seen some headlines about California getting some, I believe, new air tankers. I was wondering if you could just kind of — you guys are obviously super close to this. I was wondering if you could kind of give us some of the highlights of how some of the upstream factors that would drive resource availability have evolved maybe since last quarter or year-to-date?

Kyle Sable: Yes, Dan. There’s 2 pools of resource availability to think about here. One is the government-owned assets. And as you’ve highlighted, California has done a really good job of expanding their air tanker fleet through the acquisition of a number of C-130s, which are pretty large aircraft and dump a fair bit of retardant on each run. So that’s one piece that’s going on, and we continue to see that progression as states think more and more about owned resources. The second piece, as I alluded to before, is the typically contracted resources that the federal government tends to use. And in those, what we’re really trying to support there, what really helps provide more availability is it’s both the funding but also the structure of the contracts.

We always work with our industry groups to help provide the best structural contracts where they have availability and guaranteed contracts that allows them to invest in that fleet that allows them to bring more resources into the ecosystem and allows them to be more available when they’re needed.

Daniel Robert Kutz: Next question, Josh Spector with UBS.

Joshua David Spector: I was wondering if you could talk about kind of the sustainability of what you did in 2Q in fire safety. I mean the margins are kind of above what we’ve assumed for peak margins in 3Q. The incremental margin looks like it was pretty much 100% year-on-year. So just as we think forward and we’re saying 2Q was kind of a normal-ish fire season in terms of acres burned, is this something you build off of? Or is there anything you would call out as maybe onetime helping you within the quarter?

Haitham R. Khouri: Josh, it’s Haitham. It’s something we build off of. There was there was nothing notable in Q2 in Fire Safety that is unsustainable.

Joshua David Spector: So then how would you help us think about what you should be doing in a peak quarter in 3Q? Is the incremental margin much higher than in the past? Should you be much higher than the mid-60s percent margins? Any help there?

Haitham R. Khouri: Yes. As much as I’d like to, Josh, I’m going to hold back and ask you to wait 90 days on that one.

Joshua David Spector: I’d expect nothing less. So shifting gears. On the specialty side, honestly, I don’t know if we would have really known about the outages unless you talked about them, considering what the performance was in the quarter. So I was wondering if you could pick apart the moving pieces there. In terms of the $5-ish million growth in EBITDA you’ve had year-over-year, what was the impact that you had from the outages and the poor operating performance at that one facility? How much was growth in base specialty? And how much is like the build-out of IMS, if you could help us kind of frame that.

Haitham R. Khouri: Yes, I’ll try to be directionally helpful here, Josh, although I don’t want to get into too much quantification. The IMS acquisition is purely incremental on a year-over-year basis, and IMS had a hell of a second quarter. And so that’s clearly part of it. Our base P2S5 business, which is a combination of the U.S. plant and our owned and operated European plant did well. Those are on the positive side. And then on the negative side, the ongoing operational issues and in excess — way in excess of normal unplanned downtime at the Flexsys-operated Sauget plant was a headwind in Q2, and those netted out to a good overall result, but puts and takes there.

Joshua David Spector: Okay. I mean, I guess if I could try again just on the Sauget impact, I mean, is it a $1 million, $2 million impact? Just trying to think about what we should be baking in when you say go forward, there’s going to be an impact in the next couple of quarters.

Haitham R. Khouri: There has been — so first of all, it’s a significant impact. This situation we take very, very seriously, is harming our financial performance, is impacting our customers and most importantly, is creating safety issues for the plant’s employees. And so I don’t want to underplay significance from an operational safety or financial perspective. That said, this underperformance at Flexsys has been ongoing really since One Rock acquired the business in 2021. And therefore, unfortunately, it’s in the run rate numbers you’ve been seeing. And until we resolve this dispute, take control of the plant, address safety and address quality, what you’ve been seeing, which includes, again, the negative impact of their operating is going to continue to be reflected in the financials.

Joshua David Spector: Okay. And a couple of other follow-ups if I can go through them. I guess, first, on the $20 million payment to resolve the dispute with Compass, is that primarily just intangibles and the ability to maintain your formulations? Is there any assets or anything there you’d call out as part of that?

Kyle Sable: Josh, it’s Kyle. Yes, there are actually assets that we acquired in this that we would have otherwise had to purchase from a normal CapEx transaction or normal inventory purchase transaction. There’s about $5 million of book value of those 2 buckets of assets that came with the transaction.

Joshua David Spector: Okay. And then last, just another follow-up around kind of the U.S. wildfire management tactics here. I mean you talked about helping with plane availability and that being a factor. I know for years, you guys have been talking about trying to maybe change how you’re paid on some of your suppressants, make sure you guys get more of maybe a fixed payment in the slower parts of the year to start or you have a sliding scale, I think, in place now to help you maintain your profitability. Is there any changes you foresee with your basically contract structure with the government around this to help enable more investments, profitability, et cetera, through any of this? Or are you thinking about it more in terms of the aerial fleet as where you see potential changes?

Haitham R. Khouri: So it’s — and Kyle did a very clear job addressing the opportunity for the aerial fleet, where we’re very involved primarily through the industry association, UEFA. Separate from that, we have, for the past couple of years, been working, I would say, slowly and steadily with our customers around the world to mutually beneficially devariabilize our business and make it so we have more predictability on our cash flows and our customers have more predictability on their spend with us, which mutes — it doesn’t eliminate — we’ll never be able to eliminate, I don’t think, but mutes the impact of fire seasonality. And again, it’s not a step function change with a single customer. It’s something we’ve been increasingly doing over the past couple of years.

We pretty clearly see evidence of it in our financial results. We’re very happy with it. Our customers are very happy with it, and you’ll see — and you’ll find that we will continue to push for these mutually beneficial changes going forward, and we’ll continue to see our financial results devariabilize going forward. But I emphasize, we’ll never quite be able to decouple from acres burned.

Operator: Thank you. I would like to turn the floor over to Haitham for closing remarks.

Haitham R. Khouri: Thank you, everybody, for the time and support, and we’ll speak in 90 days or so.

Operator: This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.