Nucor Corporation (NYSE:NUE) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Nucor Corporation (NYSE:NUE) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript July 29, 2025

Operator: Good morning, and welcome to Nucor’s Second Quarter 2025 Earnings call. [Operator Instructions] And today’s call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I’d now like to introduce Jack Sullivan, Vice President, Treasurer and General Manager of Investor Relations, to begin your call.

Jack Sullivan: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Nucor’s second quarter earnings review and business update. Leading our call today is Leon Topalian, Chair, President and CEO; along with Steve Laxton, Executive Vice President and CFO. Other members of Nucor’s executive team are also here with us today and may participate during the Q&A portion of the call. Yesterday, we posted our second quarter earnings release and investor presentation to Nucor’s IR website. We encourage you to access these materials as we will cover portions of them during the call. Today’s discussion will include the use of non-GAAP financial measures and forward-looking information within the meaning of securities laws. Actual results may be different than forward-looking statements and involve risks outlined in our safe harbor statement and disclosed in Nucor’s SEC filings.

The appendix of today’s presentation includes supplemental information and disclosures, along with a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures. So with that, let’s turn the call over to Leon.

Leon J. Topalian: Thanks, Jack. Now I want to begin by thanking our 33,000 Nucor teammates for delivering a solid quarter, both in terms of financial results and our safety performance amid all the uncertainty and distractions you have remained focused on executing our growth strategy and creating value for our shareholders, customers and communities. And you did it all while setting another all-time safety record for the first half of any year. Thank you for your vigilance and focus and never losing sight of our most important value. Let’s continue to carry that momentum into the back half of the year. To recap some of the second quarter financials, Nucor generated EBITDA of approximately $1.3 billion and earned $2.60 per diluted share.

This represents a significant improvement over our first quarter results driven by higher average selling prices in our steel mills segment and stable realized pricing and higher volumes in our Steel Products segment. During the quarter, we returned $329 million to Nucor’s shareholders through dividends and buybacks, bringing our total capital return to shareholders for the first half of the year to $758 million. Capital expenditures for the quarter totaled $954 million and we remain on track to deploy approximately $3 billion in CapEx for the year. Our team continues to execute well, and I’d like to highlight just a few of our accomplishments for the quarter. Production levels and shipments at our Brandenburg plate mill trended higher for a sixth consecutive quarter.

Shipments in June reached another record, helping Brandenburg achieve positive EBITDA for the quarter. Meanwhile, Brandenburg’s product development team continues to strengthen its market position with key customers for complex grades of steel plate that we have not been able to produce prior. I’d also like to recognize our entire sheet making group for shipping nearly 3.1 million tons during the second quarter, marking the second consecutive quarter where the Sheet Group has set a new shipment record. In particular, I’d like to congratulate our team at Gallatin sheet mill in Kentucky for setting a new monthly shipping record during the quarter. On our first quarter earnings call, I mentioned our structural steel backlog reaching historically high levels, and that set us up nicely for strong shipments in the second quarter.

Nucor’s Beam team delivered shipping over 630,000 tons in generating the highest quarterly earnings for this business since 2022 and the fourth highest of all time. On the growth front, our construction teams continue to make great progress as we near completion of several important capital projects. Our rebar micro mill in Lexington, North Carolina recently rolled its first heat and is now in the early stages of ramping up production. And the team in Kingman, Arizona has successfully melted, cast, and rolled several heats out of its new melt shop, and it will be ramping up production throughout the third quarter. For Nucor Towers and Structures, pole production and galvanizing operations in Alabama are set to begin by September, with customer shipments beginning in the fourth quarter.

Our Indiana greenfield project is set to commence full operations by the spring of 2026 with customer shipments beginning in the second quarter. Within sheet, we remain on schedule to complete our coating complex in Crawfordsville, Indiana by the end of 2025 and our galvanizing line in Berkeley, South Carolina by the middle of 2026. And the construction of our new West Virginia sheet mill is nearly 60% complete and remains on track for completion by the end of 2026. A key driver of our quarterly results came from the strong performance of our Steel Products group. We have grown this business to become the broadest and most diverse portfolio of downstream steel products in North America, allowing Nucor to offer a wide variety of solutions for our customers.

For the entire segment, second quarter pretax earnings were $392 million, a 28% increase over the adjusted results of the previous quarter. In fact, pretax earnings for each of the main product groups comprising this segment were in line with or above Q1 levels. On an LTM basis, the Steel Products segment accounted for 45% of Nucor’s total pretax segment earnings with EBITDA margins of approximately 16%. Both of these metrics remain significantly higher than their respective pre-pandemic averages. Tariff policy continues to evolve, but has been positive for the steel industry overall. We support the administration’s recent actions to strengthen the Section 232 program by increasing the tariffs to 50%. We also applaud the Commerce Department’s decision earlier this year to expand the review of steel derivative products covered by the Section 232 tariffs and for implementing a transparent inclusions process.

These steps will help to curb the volume of unfairly traded imports and protect our national security. However, dumped and subsidized imports continue to persist and the vigorous enforcement of our trade laws is needed now more than ever. Nucor and other domestic producers have been injured by elevated levels of unfairly traded corrosion-resistant imports in recent years, and file trade positions on core imports from 10 countries last September. Nucor is pleased with the preliminary determinations from the U.S. Commerce Department and U.S. International Trade Commission in these investigations and we anticipate affirmative final determinations from both agencies later this summer and fall. The Commerce Department in ITC have also initiated investigations into rebar imports from 4 countries, with the ITC issuing an affirmative preliminary injury determination earlier this month.

Affirmative determinations in these cases and other trade proceedings are critical to ensuring a level playing field for the steel industry in America. We are optimistic that the administration’s vigorous enforcement of our trade laws and the strengthened Section 232 program will result in a sustained reduction of imports into our market. We’re also monitoring the evolving country-specific tariff negotiations and their impact on raw material cost. Nucor’s raw material supply chain is advantaged by having a broader set of capabilities than any other steel producer in North America. That diversity, along with our world-class sourcing and logistics teams give us flexibility to source raw materials in a way that optimizes our cost structure and adapt to this highly dynamic situation.

Beyond trade policy, we were pleased to see the tax provisions and manufacturing incentives contained in the new legislation signed into law earlier this month. We expect the bill will lead to further economic growth and boost our competitiveness as a nation. It will unleash new investments in steel-intensive projects and promote the reshoring of vital manufacturing while enhancing our national security. And as North America’s largest and most capable steel products company, Nucor is incredibly well positioned to support this growth. With that, let me turn it over to Steve, who will share additional details about our second quarter performance, the current demand environment for steel and our outlook for the third quarter. Steve?

Stephen D. Laxton: Thank you, Leon, and thank you all for joining us on the call this morning. During the second quarter, Nucor generated net earnings of $603 million or $2.60 a share, right at the midpoint of our earnings guidance range. This represents a substantial improvement over the prior quarter adjusted earnings per share of $0.77 and is similar to the reported $2.68 earnings per share during the second quarter of last year. Year-to-date, Nucor’s adjusted earnings were $782 million or $3.37 a share. Our second quarter results included preoperating and start-up costs of approximately $136 million or $0.45 per share. This is down $34 million compared to the prior quarter and in line with the prior year second quarter. Turning to the segment level results for the quarter.

The steel mills segment generated $843 million of pretax earnings, more than triple that of the prior quarter. Higher average selling prices, particularly in our sheet and plate operations were the largest drivers of the change in profitability. Total volume for the steel mills segment was in line with prior quarter as increases in sheet, plate and beam shipments were offset by lower bar shipments. We continue to see solid and steady booking rates and our steel mills backlog at the end of the second quarter was up nearly 30% over this time last year. To comment briefly on the pricing environment, we would describe it as broadly stable. Our published consumer spot price for HRC has been within 5% band of either side of $900 a ton for the past 16 weeks.

During this period, we shipped record sheet volumes, and our sheet backlog at the end of the second quarter was 15% higher than the same time last year. As for rebar and MBQ products, we’ve recently announced price increases that take our average selling price for both products above the respective 13- and 52-week averages. We continue to see healthy overall demand for long products and we expect lower rebar imports during the second half of the year. Turning to Steel Products. As Leon mentioned earlier, we saw another strong performance in this segment. During the second quarter, Steel Products generated pretax earnings of $392 million, up 28% over the prior quarter’s adjusted basis. Results were driven by stable realized pricing and higher volumes, leading to our best earnings quarter for this segment since the second quarter of 2024.

Similar to steel mills, our backlog levels for the Steel Products segment remained healthy, up approximately 20% from a year ago and extending into 2026 for some products. We continue to see strong demand as evidenced by robust coating activity and believe this reflects improved business confidence among our customers servicing the construction and infrastructure markets. In Joist and Deck, we are now seeing pricing for new orders at levels that are approaching our average backlog pricing. As a result, prices and margins in this business are expected to stabilize above pre-pandemic levels by end of the year. Turning to raw materials segment. We realized pretax earnings of approximately $57 million for the quarter, an increase of approximately 95% over the first quarter.

Results were in line with expectations with stable volumes in pricing and lower operating expenses. Moving to the balance sheet. Nucor remains committed to maintaining a strong investment-grade credit profile. Nucor’s credit ratings are the highest of any North American steel producer, and we have long believed that our financial strength is a competitive advantage, allowing us to execute our strategy through various phases of the economic cycle. During the quarter, we retired $1 billion in long-term debt with proceeds from our senior notes issued in March. We ended the second quarter with a total debt to capital ratio of approximately 24% in cash of approximately $2.5 billion. Our next substantial maturity is not until 2027 and more than 80% of our long-term debt maturities are after 2030.

In addition to maintaining a strong balance sheet, a cornerstone of Nucor’s capital allocation framework is to provide a meaningful direct return to shareholders. During the second quarter, we returned $329 million to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases. When combined with the first quarter, we’ve returned $758 million of cash to shareholders, representing nearly 100% of Nucor’s year-to-date net earnings. During the same period, we’ve repurchased approximately 4 million shares at a weighted average value of approximately $124 a share. Leon covered some of the factors impacting our markets. But now I’d like to touch on 4 of the larger macro themes that are driving demand. First, technology and advanced manufacturing. Since the passage of the CHIPS Act in 2022, we’ve seen announcements of over 90 technology and advanced manufacturing projects totaling over $450 billion in private investments and that momentum has accelerated in 2025.

These projects take time to move from announcement to construction, but we’re seeing increased bidding and new order activity. We’re currently supplying steel to 8 large semiconductor facilities now under construction, which all require beam, rebar, joist and deck and other downstream products. Second, infrastructure demand remains strong, driven by funds allocated and now flowing to projects under the IIJA. We’ve seen notable increases in public transit, highway, bridge and tunnel contract awards and our bar and plate teams are responding to this demand. Nucor’s bar shipments were 13% higher in the first half of the year. while Nucor’s plate shipments to the bridge market hit a record in the second quarter and rose 35% for the first half of 2025.

We also anticipate higher steel tube demand later this year as contracts progress for unfinished sections of the border wall. Third, energy. In the Energy sector, Nucor is seeing exceptional growth in power transmission with the first half shipments to this market up 88% year-over-year. We’ve also seen significant increases in steel shipments related to solar and onshore wind projects and the recently enacted tax policy will likely lead to some incremental pull-ahead tons over the coming year. Additionally, our Brandenburg facility has been certified to supply line pipe for both LNG and oil pipeline projects, opening up new opportunities in this expanding market. Last but not least, data centers. Construction in this market remains particularly strong.

According to the Dodge Construction network, spending from construction starts is projected to grow 18% this year and an additional 26% in 2026. Our beam orders for this segment have increased significantly and serve as a precursor to incremental demand for a variety of downstream products that Nucor supplies. We expect these growing market segments will continue to drive demand for steel and steel products for the foreseeable future. Turning to the third quarter outlook. We expect Nucor’s consolidated earnings to be nominally lower than in the second quarter. In the steel mills segment, despite resilient backlogs and stable demand, we expect modest margin compression compared to the second quarter. In both the steel products and raw materials segments, earnings are expected to be similar to the second quarter.

For Steel products, we expect slightly lower profitability in Tubular and Joist and Deck, offset by improved performance in other business lines. As we look ahead to the second half of 2025, our expectation is that domestic steel demand will be higher than it was in the second half of 2024 and with the broadest range of capabilities in the North American steel market. We are confident in our ability to create value for our customers and shareholders as we capture a healthy share of that demand. And with that, we’d like to hear from you and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Q&A Session

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Bill Peterson from JPMorgan.

William Chapman Peterson: On Steel Products, you mentioned the margin compression. Can you break that down for us? Is that a statement of higher input cost? I guess how should we think about pricing directionally kind of flattish on a blended basis? From the second to the third quarter? Trying to get a sense before the margin expands in the fourth quarter and how we should think about the puts and takes.

Leon J. Topalian: Yes, Bill, let me kick it off, and then maybe I’ll ask John Hollatz, our EVP of that group to touch on a few things. But I want to begin with thanking the men and women of the Nucor family. This is the safest start to the first half of any year in the history of our company, and I couldn’t be more proud of how our team continues to generate and take care of one another in our most important value, every metric, every result that we will talk about today in moving on are generated through those team members and again, to see that value exemplified as the safest first half of any year is an incredible achievement. So thank you for that. The second — to your question specifically, Bill, look, it’s a great question.

And we’re talking earlier this morning before we got on the call. If we think about the resiliency of non-res construction on the construction market in general. That took off really post-COVID, and it has remained robust for a long period of time, and we anticipate that remaining robust. ’24 was not a particularly great year. But as we look at the strength of their backlog you’re pushing 6 to 9 months out. So really, what the nominal adjustment that we see in pricing isn’t because the demand drivers are weak, it’s the lag effect that many of those orders were taken in late Q4 or early Q1 of this year are now being realized and sold under that — under those pricing. And so in fact, we’ve just recently announced a price increase last week. So again, the demand drivers for this segment are really robust, and we expect them to remain that way, again, throughout the rest of this year and quite frankly, beyond.

And so again, it’s an incredibly important strong contributor or business segment. We’re proud of all the groups that make up that family. But again, as we move forward, we see strength in that market.

John J. Hollatz: Yes, Bill, this is John Hollatz. Again, it’s very normal for us to have margin expansion and contraction as we have movements in steel prices. Steve pointed to the Joist and Deck market and what we expect out of that in the second half of the year. Some of our — you got to remember, we have a dozen different businesses in our downstream portfolio. Some of those backlogs are 9 months out, we have good visibility as to what those margins would look like. Some of those backlogs are 6 weeks out. So there’s a lot of variation in that. But I think it’s important to note that many of these downstream businesses are custom engineered products that have value- added solutions and our teams have done an excellent job of separating pricing from movements in raw materials and really redefine the earnings profile of these businesses. And as Leon mentioned, demand remains solid, and we’re optimistic about the future of downstream products.

William Chapman Peterson: Also thanks for highlighting the safety performance, strong results on that. My second question is on the steel mills and nice to see utilization trends in the first half of the year. But among the Steel products, which are running at relatively lower utilization or said in another way, what is your biggest or best opportunities to displace imports as we look out to the second half of the year?

Leon J. Topalian: Yes. Look, I’d tell you that, that really sits across the board. Our capability set is the most diverse within all North American steel producers. So whether we’re talking of Tubular, Joist, Deck, Rebar, but there are some opportunities, right? We’re running roughly 85% utilization rates across the steel mills segment. So again, there’s more opportunities in sheet. There’s more opportunities in our plate group. We have more opportunities in rebar and some of our long products. But again, we’re well positioned to supply those. And again, we don’t just simply produce to stack backlogs up. We’re producing the orders in most every case. And so we’re meeting the demand where it’s at and again, have the flexibility to adapt and adjust very quickly.

But we’re pleased to see what import levels are doing and coming down in that 20%, 21%, they’re still too high. We need to be in the low teens. And quite frankly, the North American steel industry can supply the needs of what’s being required without having those imports come in the United States. So we’re going to continue to advocate for strong fair trade and balance trade for, again, a legal imports being dumped and subsidized on the shores of the U.S.

William Chapman Peterson: Thanks, Leon. Congrats on the strong execution.

Leon J. Topalian: Appreciate it, Bill.

Operator: Our next question comes from Lawson Winder from Bank of America Securities.

Lawson Winder: Thank you, operator. And good morning, Leon. Good morning, Steve. Thank you for today’s update. If I could ask about Lexington and Kingman and those ramp-ups. Congratulations on getting those to the cost of being fully operational. Could you speak to the preoperating start-up costs and the period-by-period outlook for those assets as they start contributing to EBITDA positively.

Leon J. Topalian: Yes. Well, look, I’m going to touch on a couple of things, and then I’ll let Steve kick off into the preoperating sort of cost as they move through that start-up. But I want to begin with thanking our Lexington, North Carolina team in that micro mill and their start-up and congratulating them on their safety and how hard they’ve continued to focus on our customers and bring that mill up. We’re excited about what this mill is going to do. It’s our third micro mill in the fleet alongside Frostproof and Sedalia. And again, it’s a market segment, we know really well. We’re excited about where that’s geographically located as well in the Atlanta corridor. And so again, we look for great things to come from them as they continue their start-up into Q3 and 4.

And as well in Kingman, Arizona, we’re proud of the team that they’ve started their mill shop up now, and we’ll continue to ramp up and in that asset. Again, it’s geographically positioned incredibly well also in a market that’s growing and continues to grow. The other point I’ll mention maybe before Steve or Randy may want to share a few additional comments is you’re starting to see the move into Nucor’s bottom lines throughout the segment of contributors like our team at Nucor Brandenburg and the plate mill and the things that they’ve done, they are ramping up Nucor, Gallatin and our sheet mill and their delivery. But we’ve got yet to fully realize the impacts of all of that to the bottom line. So Brandenburg is going to continue to ramp, Gallatin, Lexington, North Carolina, Kingman, Arizona or towers and structures plants in Alabama, Indiana that we’ll start up later this year in the spring of next as well as the Utah Towers plant that will begin late next year.

The galv lines at Crawfordsville and Nucor Berkeley and finally, West Virginia. So you’re seeing the start of the bottom line being impacted today, which again will decrease the overhang of the preoperating and start-up costs but the momentum in the pent-up earnings power of Nucor is just now coming online. And so over the next months, in years. I love our strategy, our positioning, the customers and capability sets were to be able to serve and how that’s going to position Nucor to achieve the highest highs we’ve ever achieved and the highest lows. So with that, Steve, maybe make a few comments on our free operating costs.

Stephen D. Laxton: Yes. The pre-op start-up costs came down quite a bit quarter-over-quarter. And the real driver on that is the Brandenburg team getting to breakeven more so than some of the bar mills, although they’re doing an excellent job as well, just the sheer size of it, that’s the one that’s impacted the most. And I think if you’re thinking about what to model out for the second half of the year, you’re probably going to be in that $140 million to $150 million — $140 million to $150 million a quarter range for the back half of the year. And Leon highlighted where we are. We’re marching through — we’re about 3/4 of the way through this major capital investment plan that we’ve had to reposition our company. So he alluded to it, but you’ll see those figures start to come down a little bit later, it will lag our capital spending plan.

Lawson Winder: That’s fantastic guys. If I could follow up on Brandenburg, what utilization rate is the asset now currently operating? And then just how do you see that trending for Q3 and Q4?

Brad Ford: Yes. Lawson, this is Brad Ford. I’m happy to take that one. First of all, I like to just congratulate that Brandenburg team and really the entire plate group for the major step forward in Q2. We had record production, record shipments. The team achieved some pretty significant reductions in operating expenses and efficiencies. And then we also had some key achievements in product development, all contributing to that EBITDA positive Q2. Those are all records we expect to continue to break every quarter going forward, right, simply in Q3 and again in Q4. So we’re very proud of that team. One of the things we talk about at Brandenburg versus you talk about capacity utilization, it’s really the story is around the capabilities of that mill, and what that brings to the Plate Group.

And we saw that play out in some key end-use markets in Q2, specifically in the bridge side. Bridge demand has been very, very strong. And over 20% of our Plate group shipments in Q2 were only Brandenburg sizes. So prior to Brandenburg, tons that we couldn’t participate in customers we couldn’t participate with. On the energy side, we saw onshore wind, power transmission and line pipe, all very robust. As we mentioned in the opening comments, Brandenburg was approved by some large line pipe manufacturers. We expect this to be a larger part of our order book in the quarters ahead. So really, it’s a story of capability over capacity and the addition of Brandenburg’s capabilities has us extremely well positioned to really be the supplier of choice.

And we’re pretty excited about the balance of this year and as we roll into ’26.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Katja Jancic from BMO Capital Markets.

Katja Jancic: Maybe going back to the 3Q outlook, specifically to the mill segment. So you expect volumes and pricing to be relatively stable, but also are calling for margin compression. Can you talk a bit more about what’s driving that margin compression expectation?

Leon J. Topalian: Yes, Katja, I’ll touch on that. Look, it’s a few things. One, if we step back and look at the entire tariff picture, we certainly looked at that and bake some of that into our forecast. So as we think about the impact to slabs, the impact to raw materials, if the impact of the tariffs to Brazil come into effect on Friday, and that still remains to be seen that could have some impact. However, I’ll touch on that in a moment. But that’s a part of it. And the second part of that forecast is really around, again, the lag effect. We touched on that a few minutes ago with the impact to our product segment where they’re realizing that pricing delta that’s now flowing through the system that is at lower pricing levels.

But again, the drivers and the demand drivers beyond that remain incredibly robust. So as we move into Q3 and beyond, we’re going to start realizing those higher selling prices. And again, that will adjust. But those are the 2 drivers that are impacting why we potentially see a nominal adjustment. But again, there’s some upside as well if certain things happen. But I don’t want to just leave that overhang there with a comment around the tariffs. As we think about the raw material flexibility that we have, it’s as broad and vast as any steelmaker in North America. So maybe just touch on a few of the things that we’re doing, the flexibility of our raw materials and why if, again, Katja, the tariffs go into effect on Friday, why we will not feel the full impact of those to our bottom line.

Allen C. Behr: Sure, Leon. I’ll be happy to. Katja, it’s Al Behr. So back a bit what Leon is mentioning there. I’d start with those comments about our raw materials team, having the broadest capability of any steel producer in North America. In simple terms, we’re built for this. This is why we stay in game day shape, and we’re ready to play right now. And that team is getting it done. This is their time to shine, and they are really performing. When we think about Brazil, there’s really 2 key inputs that we buy from Brazil. One is the DRI pellets and the other is pig iron. And so as we think about DRI pellets, we’ve already taken the steps needed to mitigate that 50% tariff from Brazil. And so we’ve done that through changes to our supply, our global sourcing for those pellets and through the mix that we feed those DRI plants.

So the DRI issue is largely taken care of. When we shift to pig iron, then I think it’s helpful to first put our usage into perspective. So today, Katja, pig iron represents 7% to 8% of our mill across the enterprise. If you look back 5 years or so, that would be double that. And so 1 example of this flexibility was the invasion of Ukraine. At that time, Russia and Ukraine were 50% of our pig supply. And we pivoted very quickly in a very agile fashion and never missed a quality spec, never missed a customer commitment and shifted our supply pulling the levers we have to pull to react and respond. So as we sit here today then with pig iron, we would expect to do largely the same thing and pivot our supply and pull the levers that we have to pull.

Some of those are shifting to alternative supply like DRI, like low copper shred. If you think about our DRI supply, it’s internal, it’s stable. Both of our DRI plants are world-class amongst their peers, absolutely world-class and then become a top performer for the supply chain for our steel mills. The other is low copper shred that’s not directly an HQ high-quality metallic substitute, but it’s part of that picture and we’ve grown significantly in low copper shred production, and we expect to grow more into the future. So I just summarize our positioning in this way that this environment it’s very challenging, and it’s very fluid, but it’s exactly the type of environment that we’ve built this team to handle, and they’re executing that strategy with scale and precision, and it just gives us other options that other producers don’t have.

Katja Jancic: That’s super helpful. And just to confirm, basically, what I’m hearing is that you’re preparing for the 50% tariffs from Brazil to go into effect on August 1. So if they don’t — if they actually do not go into effect, there’s upside to your current expectations? Is that fair?

Leon J. Topalian: Yes. Look, I think there’s a lot of variables that could create some upside. But again, what our jobs are to make sure we provide a realistic forecast for you to estimate what we think the earnings are going to be. And so again, let’s talk in a week, and we’ll let you know whether or not those things come to pass. So until that time, yes, I don’t want to speculate on what could be, but we’ve built our models to — accordingly. And again, to put the risk mitigators there in place so that, again, we can pivot very quickly should they come to pass.

Operator: Our next question comes from Tristan Gresser from BNP Paribas.

Tristan Gresser: Just a quick follow-up on the raw material cost. Have you seen any tariff led cost already in Q2 on the DRI buying or — anything. Was there anything in the average cost in Q2?

Leon J. Topalian: No. No, we did not, Tristan. No.

Tristan Gresser: All right. That’s clear. And then my second question, I think in your presentation, you talked about the beautiful bill potential impact. Could you maybe go a bit more in detail and if you’ve been able to quantify it and time those impacts, that would be appreciated. And maybe just a last question on the working capital. Look, you had a big build in H1. I’m not sure if that’s also some raw material inventory strategy ahead of the tariffs. If you can share any type of outlook into H2 for your working capital, that would be great as well.

Leon J. Topalian: I certainly got the front end of the question. I’m not sure I got the back end, but I’ll let Steve answer that. Look, if I begin from the macro of the one big beautiful bill, I think certainty — certainly comes into play, certainly of what the corporate tax rate is going to be. And again, now we can begin building certain things out. I think the other incentives for reshoring are certainly there. And again, when you think about reshoring, Nucor sits at the tip of the spear of all of that, we’re the best most diverse, well-positioned steel company to provide everything that’s going in the ground and above. And so again, our diversity of range of capabilities offers incredible opportunities. I don’t know if Brad mentioned it a few minutes ago, but when we think about Brandenburg its offering today, it is the widest, heaviest, broadest range of fleet capable products in the United States.

And so now as we think about long-term partnerships with defense, military applications and beyond, it offers great exposure and, again, pull-through for other products. So within that bill, you see $47 billion for funding for the border wall that we again sit at the ready poised not only because we have it, but because we did it prior in the first administration. We’ve got $29 billion slated for shipbuilding, again, back to Brandenburg and the capability set in our plate ranges, $150 billion in defense spending that, again, we see sit in a very enviable position to be poised to supply all of that. And then again, if I pull back 1 level higher from the bill itself, over the last 6 months, you’ve seen commitments from companies that are in the top Fortune 50 of this nation that announced $2 trillion of investment into the United States of America.

Again, Nucor sits incredibly well positioned to do everything from the data centers, the energy, the markets, in the clean manufacturing, the advanced manufacturing, all of those areas, again, from shipbuilding the bridges, to defense and military, again, I think are wonderful pull- throughs. And again, I think this bill is going to be very advantageous for the steel industry, but quite frankly, manufacturing as a whole.

Stephen D. Laxton: Tristan, this is Steve. And just to address the last part of your question about working capital changes and it ties in with Leon’s response about some positive demand trends, but it was a large factor. Working capital build is a large factor of why we had negative free cash flows for the first half of the year. We had roughly — a little north of $620 million of capital usage in our operating working capital field just in the second quarter alone. That’s not abnormal given the price trends and the volume trends we’ve seen. So that’s not all that surprising. But I think what that sets up really well as a very constructive pivot toward the second half of the year where we expect a dramatic change in free cash flow profile in the back half of the year compared with the first half of the year.

And that’s driven in part by the working capital usage in the first half, but also capital spending was very, very high in the first half of the year. So it really sets up a very nice the market conditions, along with our position in the market, set up a very nice free cash flow outlook for the second half.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs from KeyBanc.

Leon J. Topalian: Good morning, Phil.

Philip Ross Gibbs: Sticking with the big beautiful bill question, Steve, are there any direct tax benefits to you all in the back half of the year for 2026?

Stephen D. Laxton: Phil, actually, it’s relatively limited. The construct of that bill is a little bit forward facing, if you will, in that many of our projects are already underway. Some of the largest spend we’ve got, it does probably have the most pronounced effect for us in R&D spending and the ability to accelerate that into expensing that right up front rather than amortizing it over 7 years. So we’ll have some very positive net present value benefits with that regard. But maybe not as large as you might expect, given the capital spending that we’re undertaking.

Philip Ross Gibbs: Okay. And then I have 1 follow-up just on the cost side. So the slab piece, you buy — I think you buy foreign slab for CSI in that business on the West Coast. So my baseline assumption is that business starts to see some higher cost in the third quarter. I think that’s what you may have been alluding to on the earlier comments. And then secondly, just maybe give us a view of what you’re seeing on just your own energy and electricity cost side and how those things are trending overall?

Leon J. Topalian: Yes. Look, Phil, a few things. And yes, it’s a short answer. The tariffs on slabs have already been taken, already are in effect. And so that change is already upon us. But again, Noah Hanners in the Sheet Group continue to do a great job. We have not unlike our raw materials and incredible flexibility to pivot and again, self-supply if we chose. But Noah, you want to just touch base on a few of the things that you and your teams are doing there to, again, mitigate some of this impact.

Noah C. Hanners: Yes. Just a couple of small things to add here. One, we as Leon mentioned, and as you see in our raw material strategy, we have the ability to go source anywhere in the world and domestically. And our team exercises that ability and they are really adept at finding us the lowest cost solution. So while we do have some exposure to the Brazilian tariff and you see a little bit of that compression in our outlook on third quarter was due to that tariff impact to Brazil. We also have the ability to self supply. We’re shipping their internal finished top rolled tons that CSI has been able to transform at very competitive costs. And then we are able to source from other international — other sources internationally at very competitive cost. So our team is doing an awesome job managing the impact of the tariffs and we’re able to continue to serve the West Coast market profitably.

Stephen D. Laxton: Yes. Phil, just to round out your question on energy. Energy costs are up a little bit year-over-year. They’re down quarter-over-quarter, but — for us, they’re a little over $40 a ton in our steelmaking. And in terms of outlook, we put that relatively flat in the next couple of quarters going ahead.

Operator: Our next question comes from Mike Harris from Goldman Sachs.

Michael Dwayne Harris: As we look at the steel products segment, what would you guys call out as potential gaps in that portfolio? And maybe speak to some examples of what type verticals could bring material synergies to the table.

Leon J. Topalian: Yes, Mike, look, again, as John had mentioned earlier, that group is comprised of about 12 different businesses from overhead doors or insulated metal panels or joist and deck, or building systems. And I would tell you, almost across the board, we’re seeing either flat or improving conditions. So again, I would tell you, there’s really not a lot — there’s no low spots to call out and there’s some lag in terms of realized margins and net earnings that we’re going to see flow through into Q3 and beyond. But again, if we go back 6, 7, 8 years, that group as a whole represented about 15% of Nucor’s overall net earnings. Today, that’s pushing closer to 45%, 46% of our overall net earnings. And again, as you think about the core buildout of our steelmaking capacity, those dollars are going to continue to shift into our adjacencies, expand beyond and all those sit under this products bucket as well.

So that growth for Nucor is going to continue to grow in that area. So I would tell you we’re excited about that. Our internal as well as the external forecast in almost every one of those segments are showing improving conditions.

Stephen D. Laxton: Yes. Mike, maybe I’ll add just a little bit to what Leon said there. If you go back to pre-COVID levels of EBITDA margins for the Downstream segment, we’re doing 9% or 10% EBITDA at that time. And now we’re doing 16%, 17%, depending on whether you want to talk first half or fourth quarter. And I think that speaks to what Leon is really hitting that with where we will allocate capital going forward, which is kind of the heart of your question about what gaps are in the product suite. We continue to find ways to add to our portfolio that improve our margins, improve free cash flows and offer a wider range of solutions in the marketplace and fit our business model. That’s probably the most important aspect. We fundamentally create incremental value with these businesses when we add them and fold them into our portfolio.

So we’re not going to ever tell you the specific targets, but we will keep marching in the same direction that we have you’ve seen us do in the past.

Michael Dwayne Harris: No, that’s very helpful. And I guess in the spirit of full disclosure, I was looking at Slide #6, where you talked about the evolution of the business. And I was just trying to make sure I understood that future. Was that because you were just making the best better? Or did you not feel you had enough to fight with already, and it sounds like it was the former. That’s really all I had, guys. I mean, you’ve answered a lot of my questions already, so I’ll get back in the queue.

Leon J. Topalian: Thank you, Mike. Appreciate that. And yes, your comment about the former is accurate. It is continuing to pull more arrows in our quiver to deliver more capabilities for our customer sets.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Carlos De Alba from Morgan Stanley.

Carlos De Alba: Just wanted to explore a little bit more the margin compression expected in the steel mills in the third quarter. Can you provide maybe some color by different products, sheet, play, bars, beams, are there any of those products that you would highlight where you expect the biggest margin compression, maybe you see some margin expansion in some of them, that would be great.

Leon J. Topalian: Yes. Carlos, look, we touched on that a little bit a few moments ago. I think the potential for some pressure in flats, sheet in particular, could impact the earnings segment in Q3. And that’s why, again, we’ve highlighted that. We’ve touched on that. Part of that is what Noah just mentioned a few moments ago regarding the slabs coming in from Brazil. So again, we have some mitigation strategies already being worked and put in place, which could mean we supply self-supply there through our own sheet mills. And again, we have a very adaptive capability set. But again, that’s 1 area. But as we talk about that, yes, I think there’s a ton of upside as we think about the potential continued growth in what Brandenburg is doing in the plate group, what John and the team are doing in products, what Randy and his group are doing in our long products, in rebar and MBQ, we didn’t talk about it on this call, but our beam mills in both Arkansas and Berkeley are performing at near historic highs.

Their backlogs are at near historic highs. And all of that backlog, like hundreds of thousands of tons is actual orders. They don’t produce anything for stock. Every one of those are direct quotable and billable order. And so that’s going to continue to fuel Nucor’s earnings power. And again, so there’s a lot of segments that we’re very excited about. Again, the megatrends across the U.S., the start-up next month of our Towers and Structures plant gives us incredible excitement, again, to be able to move into that market. And then by early spring, the second plant and late next year, the third. So again, there’s a number of different elements here that our investment strategy that we deliberately and focused on 5 years ago we’re beginning to pay those dividends today and the investments that are just beginning to start up now are going to continue to pay for the next 20, 30, 40 years.

Carlos De Alba: Great. And maybe just to — if we zoom in on bars and maybe beams, but bars you mentioned the price increases in MBQ and rebar, would you expect margin expansion in the bar business and maybe in the beams as well?

Leon J. Topalian: I’ll touch on beams and then let Randy touch — Randy Spicer, our EVP, over our bar products touch on. But look, as we think about the opportunity for longs, Man, it’s significant. Again, it’s an area we’ve played in for a long time. We have a great customer base there. We have an incredible market share as well in beams. But that mill is run at 70ish percent of capacity for a long time, Carlos. So we have a lot of opportunity and upside there. At the same time, it is one of the strongest profit generators in the entire company and it has been consistently for a long period of time. And so we couldn’t be more excited about the work that they’re doing, how they look to continue to expand those margins. And again, yes, I do think there’s opportunity in the beam side. Randy, why don’t you touch on the longs and bar and MBQ?

Randy J. Spicer: Thank you, Leon, Carlos. Thank you for the question. Definitely, the same, I would say, on the bar side, the momentum is very strong. We have continued to see robust order entry across all of our regions as we start looking in the key end markets, as we’ve talked about several on the call, the infrastructure work, again, continued big projects with the chip plants, warehouses and data centers. The support that we get from our downstream businesses has been just tremendous. When you look at the macro signals, the momentum Index is showing up 20% on a year, which again is letting us know there even more projects that are coming into the planning phases. So when we look at our long products, our backlogs are at multiyear highs and our lead times continue to extend. So we are very confident in a very strong second half.

Operator: Our next question comes from Alex Hacking from Citi.

Alexander Nicholas Hacking: Apologize I missed the first couple of minutes of the call. But just wanted to check, the CapEx guidance is unchanged at $3 billion, and therefore, we should expect a pretty significant decline in 2H. And then just as a follow-up. If I look at Slide 5, all the projects nearing completion. Beyond that, you’ve got the sheet mill, you bought the Utah towers, the Pacific Northwest rebar mill. Is there anything else that I’m missing that’s kind of coming beyond what’s on Slide 5.

Leon J. Topalian: Yes. Alex, it was a riveting couple of minutes. And so we’ll catch you up very quickly. But yes, you touched on most of them. A couple that I would add to that list are 2, galvanizing lines at Crawfordsville, Indiana as well as Nucor Berkeley that will come online next year. The third towers plant in Utah as well next year. And so again, we’re starting to see the contributions from the investments that were made several years ago, like Brandenburg, Gallatin and now Kingman and Lexington are in startup mode now, commissioning is done, and now their quest is to ramp those facilities up, serving our customer base to continue to generate stronger sustainable less volatile earnings for our shareholders and for the future. So yes, as we see that pent-up earnings power is starting to flow through and will continue over the next couple of years. But those were the couple I would add that you didn’t call out.

David A. Sumoski: Alex, this is Dave Sumoski. I also add CSI galv line in late ’27 start-up.

Stephen D. Laxton: Yes. And Alex, your math exercise is correct. We do expect lower capital spending in the second half of the year that — and combined with a little bit less working capital use, we should see a pronounced change in free cash flow in the back half compared with the first half of the year.

Operator: We currently have no further questions in the queue. So I’d like to hand back to Leon Topalian for any further remarks.

Leon J. Topalian: Thank you for joining us again today, and I’d like to thank our Nucor team for delivering an incredible first half of the year regarding safety as well as our solid financial performance. I’d like to thank our customers for the trust that you place in us with each and every order. And finally, thank you to our investors for trust that you place in us with your valuable shareholder capital. Thank you for your interest in Nucor, and have a great day.

Operator: As we conclude today’s call, we’d like to thank everyone for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.